Of all the reps that I've seen that come with a Swiss ETA - I haven't seen one with a mix of asian parts in there. These Swiss ETA's that come from the factories are dirty as hell though.
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The truth about "refurbished" ETA movements.
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ShiroTenshi
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Thanks Luth, interested read.
The swiss I got in my noob AP Diver is clean and nice, so i believe its a new Swiss ETA.
However the swiss in my BP SSD is having winding issue, which I discovered, is due to a mismatched of winding gears. So either is the movement a mix of swiss/clone parts, or just 2 swiss gears of different origin/production.
Either way, whether or not its a movement of mixed parts, as long as the factories dissemble it, its a no go to buy, obviously due to the care in putting them back together.
As the title of this thread is..."The truth about "refurbished" ETA movements." it should be abundantly clear that this is a miss-statement.
These are "REBUILT" calibers using cannibalized parts from stock-piled movements. It has been repeatedly noted that mis-matched and/or incorrect parts showing little to no lubrication/cleaning appear in these "ETA" calibers being foisted off.
These are "REBUILT" calibers using cannibalized parts from stock-piled movements. It has been repeatedly noted that mis-matched and/or incorrect parts showing little to no lubrication/cleaning appear in these "ETA" calibers being foisted off.
I think that you made a wrong assumption there. That the dealers are telling truth. Everybody lies House M.D.
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Taking a NOS MVT and cleaning/oiling meets my definition of refurbished. I am yet to see Asian parts in a "gen" ETA however. Well, non gen ETA Asian parts anyway.
I have however seen plenty of "gen" ETAs that were obviously cobbled together from a collection of gen parts, the low beats used in vintage Rolex being a good example. The low beat in my 1680 is a hodge podge of parts, all new but not factory assembled.
I have however seen plenty of "gen" ETAs that were obviously cobbled together from a collection of gen parts, the low beats used in vintage Rolex being a good example. The low beat in my 1680 is a hodge podge of parts, all new but not factory assembled.
Oh Luthier...
Why are you so lenient on your definition of refurbished, yet so strict on your definition of dropshipper?
Still great info in your first post, even though I feel like it goes against your final statement.
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Why are you so lenient on your definition of refurbished, yet so strict on your definition of dropshipper?
Still great info in your first post, even though I feel like it goes against your final statement.
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Agreed they wouldn't dump them in a dumpster. Let's say Rado or Tissot made a million watches that were so ugly the couldn't sell them. They would shelve them for a a few years and then write them off and sell them to one of the commercial "recycler" companies with the express condition that nothing of the brand name will be re-sold. Then the recyclable parts would be stripped and re-sold. In this case the movements become "used" in every sense of the word. Only in the rep industry, which is run by criminals anyhow, would they be sold as new. They aren's dis-assembled in clean rooms or handled, stored or shipped in nice clean movement holders. They are probably wrapped in paper and thrown in a box, stored in a dirty warehouse and re-sold.
That's just how manufacturers and wholesalers work. It happens every day in almost every industry.
"Refurbished" "Reclaimed" "Rebuilt" "Reconditioned" Rehashed and Redux, it's all just terminology for a second hand movement. Buy a rep with an "Eta" movement and get a watch with a second-hand (used) older Eta movement, if it's not a clone that is, which more times than not it will be.
TB, I can say with certainty that when I ordered ETAs from Trusty they were all real ETAs and at least appeared to be be new.
I'm a little perplexed about the thread primarily because I haven't seen anyone arguing that the "factories" are shipping brand new eta movements in reps. Are there people saying this?
Luthier, I've certainly had an email conversation with Mary regarding an AP Royal Oak 15300ST where she quoted me two different prices, one for a refurbished ETA movement, and one for a new ETA movement. If there is any misinformation about this issue, the dealers are themselves perpetuating that myth.
Goes to show even Luths favorite dealer sells refurbs, LOL.
I agree, that was a long time ago.
Some watches definitely come with new ETA's. I don't think Noob factory has been using old ones. I've gotten beautiful fresh ones in both the V4 PO and the SSD. And definitely a used one in the first DJ I bought from Joshua. I think the use of old movements has become less prevalent as the forum members have gotten smarter about what's going on.
I figured that when I buy a watch from China...It's Chinese. No matter what is posted on the dealers site, or on this forum.
I have never had an issue with this assumption.
I have never had an issue with this assumption.
As I said - they partially disassemble the movement, clean it up, oil it again, and call it "refurbished".
I wouldn't call it this way, because all the parts are not a used parts, but a Swiss parts.