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The Different Weights of Panerai Models/case materials
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Which Carbotech model? And do you own a rep one for comparison?
Interesting all the same, movement is probably the main weight difference.
I did not weigh, but I would suggest that gen movement is heavier. As I said, the difference is largely due to the internal steel case, which is made of titanium from gen. Also, I have no evidence, but I suspect that the material itself may have different weights depending on the specific specifications.
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Well you can just subtract the weight of a strap and buckle which is about 27-28 grams.
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I’m not sure that my Carbotech Has an internal metal case. It all looks to be carbon? The case back is steel, but all internals outside of the movement is carbon.
https://forum.replica-watch.info/fo...how-a-panerai-carbotech-vsf-is-made-pic-heavy
By the way, I’m not sure that there is confirmation that the back case is also titanium on rep.
By the way, I’m not sure that there is confirmation that the back case is also titanium on rep.
Take a closer look. The threaded connection of a Carbotech part and a metal would not be strong enough and this would not guarantee water resistance. This was a couple of those earlier.
Thanks for the post. That is interesting, will take a closer look at my rep.
I think the case back material will also affect the overall weight as well of course as you pointed out.
Here's something I posted 5 years ago. I'll try and see if I can find my source material (and maybe update the graph). Take note that since this was 5 years ago, none of the movements for the P.9000 series are the clone level type.
When buying reps, and even watches in general, the usual questions arise, like "How big does the PAMyyy look on x.xx inch wrist?" or "How does PAMyyy compare to the PAMzzz?" Usually those are answered by photos which demonstrate the actual and relative size and height of the watch in question. But usually, the question, "How much does it weigh?" is almost never answered definitively as wearers tend to differ in tolerance for weight differences due to musculature. Unlike dimensions which are easier to determine even with differences in visual acuity. Plus with the differences in the material used for the reps, it is important to know whether a PVDed stainless steel model would be equivalent in weight to a ceramic gen for example.
So with the aid of a scale (with acceptable tolerances), I measured a sample of the reps in my collection. Weight measurements are head only, as not all PAMs have bracelets and bracelets and straps differ in weight based on composition and length. For example, if I wore a bracelet sized to my 6 1/4" wrist, it would weigh lighter than one sized for 8", the same logic goes for the leather strap, which may not only differ in length and width, but also the thickness and density of the leather, depending on the hide (calf, shark, crocodile, etc). I did measure the lug bars, since they were off when I removed the straps/bracelets anyway and even found an interesting fact. The measurement was done somewhat systematically, the scale was zeroed at every measurement, with each object being measured 10 times and the average of the 10 measurements calculated. It should be noted that while this was done repeatedly, the weight did not change even once, owing to the measuring equipment's regular maintenance.
So here are the results:
Findings:
1. As expected, the 44mm Automatic Titanium PAM089 was the lightest of the group and the 47mm Automatic Bronzo PAM382 was the heaviest.
2. The 1950s case is heavier than a similarly size Bettarini case (PAM531 vs PAM299)
3. The ceramic PAM438 head is as heavy as a steel manual wind. Considering it has an auto movement and uses a heavier 1950s case (finding from #2 ) indicates the material is lighter than steel, but not as light as titanium.
4. Not all Titanium reps weigh the same (PAM371 vs PAM364). Although both watches are made of Titanium, they differ in weight. This is not at all unexpected as gens also exhibit the same difference in weight. The construction of the bezel is different (with the 364s being beefier) so it would logically explain the weight gap.
5. The PAM438 ceramic bracelet is lighter than the SS bracelet of the PAM299 as expected.
6. DLC seems as though it almost does not add anything to the weight of steel (PAM594 vs PAM602). This is not definitive though as the dial construction is slightly different.
7. (Not shown in the graph) Lug bars actually differ in material. The ones included with the PAM382 is much lighter than the ones included with the similarly constructed 47mm submersibles. Same with the PAM089Es compared with the ones from the PAM602/PAM594. So factories even go so far as to replicate even the lugbar material, interesting.
8. However I seem to have differing lugbars on my PAM299 (one is Ti weight, the other is SS). I will look into my other reps, I might have switched them.
Enjoy reading.
When buying reps, and even watches in general, the usual questions arise, like "How big does the PAMyyy look on x.xx inch wrist?" or "How does PAMyyy compare to the PAMzzz?" Usually those are answered by photos which demonstrate the actual and relative size and height of the watch in question. But usually, the question, "How much does it weigh?" is almost never answered definitively as wearers tend to differ in tolerance for weight differences due to musculature. Unlike dimensions which are easier to determine even with differences in visual acuity. Plus with the differences in the material used for the reps, it is important to know whether a PVDed stainless steel model would be equivalent in weight to a ceramic gen for example.
So with the aid of a scale (with acceptable tolerances), I measured a sample of the reps in my collection. Weight measurements are head only, as not all PAMs have bracelets and bracelets and straps differ in weight based on composition and length. For example, if I wore a bracelet sized to my 6 1/4" wrist, it would weigh lighter than one sized for 8", the same logic goes for the leather strap, which may not only differ in length and width, but also the thickness and density of the leather, depending on the hide (calf, shark, crocodile, etc). I did measure the lug bars, since they were off when I removed the straps/bracelets anyway and even found an interesting fact. The measurement was done somewhat systematically, the scale was zeroed at every measurement, with each object being measured 10 times and the average of the 10 measurements calculated. It should be noted that while this was done repeatedly, the weight did not change even once, owing to the measuring equipment's regular maintenance.
So here are the results:
Findings:
1. As expected, the 44mm Automatic Titanium PAM089 was the lightest of the group and the 47mm Automatic Bronzo PAM382 was the heaviest.
2. The 1950s case is heavier than a similarly size Bettarini case (PAM531 vs PAM299)
3. The ceramic PAM438 head is as heavy as a steel manual wind. Considering it has an auto movement and uses a heavier 1950s case (finding from #2 ) indicates the material is lighter than steel, but not as light as titanium.
4. Not all Titanium reps weigh the same (PAM371 vs PAM364). Although both watches are made of Titanium, they differ in weight. This is not at all unexpected as gens also exhibit the same difference in weight. The construction of the bezel is different (with the 364s being beefier) so it would logically explain the weight gap.
5. The PAM438 ceramic bracelet is lighter than the SS bracelet of the PAM299 as expected.
6. DLC seems as though it almost does not add anything to the weight of steel (PAM594 vs PAM602). This is not definitive though as the dial construction is slightly different.
7. (Not shown in the graph) Lug bars actually differ in material. The ones included with the PAM382 is much lighter than the ones included with the similarly constructed 47mm submersibles. Same with the PAM089Es compared with the ones from the PAM602/PAM594. So factories even go so far as to replicate even the lugbar material, interesting.
8. However I seem to have differing lugbars on my PAM299 (one is Ti weight, the other is SS). I will look into my other reps, I might have switched them.
Enjoy reading.
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Here's something I posted 5 years ago. I'll try and see if I can find my source material (and maybe update the graph). Take note that since this was 5 years ago, none of the movements for the P.9000 series are the clone level type.
When buying reps, and even watches in general, the usual questions arise, like "How big does the PAMyyy look on x.xx inch wrist?" or "How does PAMyyy compare to the PAMzzz?" Usually those are answered by photos which demonstrate the actual and relative size and height of the watch in question. But usually, the question, "How much does it weigh?" is almost never answered definitively as wearers tend to differ in tolerance for weight differences due to musculature. Unlike dimensions which are easier to determine even with differences in visual acuity. Plus with the differences in the material used for the reps, it is important to know whether a PVDed stainless steel model would be equivalent in weight to a ceramic gen for example.
So with the aid of a scale (with acceptable tolerances), I measured a sample of the reps in my collection. Weight measurements are head only, as not all PAMs have bracelets and bracelets and straps differ in weight based on composition and length. For example, if I wore a bracelet sized to my 6 1/4" wrist, it would weigh lighter than one sized for 8", the same logic goes for the leather strap, which may not only differ in length and width, but also the thickness and density of the leather, depending on the hide (calf, shark, crocodile, etc). I did measure the lug bars, since they were off when I removed the straps/bracelets anyway and even found an interesting fact. The measurement was done somewhat systematically, the scale was zeroed at every measurement, with each object being measured 10 times and the average of the 10 measurements calculated. It should be noted that while this was done repeatedly, the weight did not change even once, owing to the measuring equipment's regular maintenance.
So here are the results:
Findings:
1. As expected, the 44mm Automatic Titanium PAM089 was the lightest of the group and the 47mm Automatic Bronzo PAM382 was the heaviest.
2. The 1950s case is heavier than a similarly size Bettarini case (PAM531 vs PAM299)
3. The ceramic PAM438 head is as heavy as a steel manual wind. Considering it has an auto movement and uses a heavier 1950s case (finding from #2 ) indicates the material is lighter than steel, but not as light as titanium.
4. Not all Titanium reps weigh the same (PAM371 vs PAM364). Although both watches are made of Titanium, they differ in weight. This is not at all unexpected as gens also exhibit the same difference in weight. The construction of the bezel is different (with the 364s being beefier) so it would logically explain the weight gap.
5. The PAM438 ceramic bracelet is lighter than the SS bracelet of the PAM299 as expected.
6. DLC seems as though it almost does not add anything to the weight of steel (PAM594 vs PAM602). This is not definitive though as the dial construction is slightly different.
7. (Not shown in the graph) Lug bars actually differ in material. The ones included with the PAM382 is much lighter than the ones included with the similarly constructed 47mm submersibles. Same with the PAM089Es compared with the ones from the PAM602/PAM594. So factories even go so far as to replicate even the lugbar material, interesting.
8. However I seem to have differing lugbars on my PAM299 (one is Ti weight, the other is SS). I will look into my other reps, I might have switched them.
Enjoy reading.
This is brilliant. Thanks.
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The 1616 is 47mm.
If you compared it to the 42mm version (960) that might and probably does have an impact on the weight.
And without a scale, thibgs can *seem* heavier basr/because of size. Two watches could be the same weight but to people the smaller version *seems*lighter.
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A large amount of information was given here, and recent graphs made it clear that prior to the creation of this topic, they were interested in this issue, and the majority opinion was formed, but I will give a few more.
PAM382 (7750)
PAM508 (7750)
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PAM382 (7750)
PAM508 (7750)
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It's interesting that while we have almost the same weight measured for the PAM382 (yours is around 1 gram heavier but then I weigh my watches without lugbars which are around that heavy), your PAM508 is heavier than mine by 14 grams (I had both the PAM607 and PAM508 before and being almost identical models, their weight differed by less than half a gram).
I agree, it’s strange. I paid attention to weight, I expected to feel it easier on my wrist. My 508 definitely has 7750 and how much they allow me to judge my knowledge and assurances of the seller from the KW factory (V6F). I would admit that different factories have different weight differences.