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The best replica Panerai ever
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November update:
RECOMMENDED PAM REPS
Luminor Base
PAM 390 Noob
Luminor Marina
PAM 417-416-411 KW
PAM 111 Noob V3
PAM 026 Noob
GMT
PAM 088 Noob O-series
PAM 029 Noob V2
PAM 297 Noob O-series
Titanium
PAM 177-176 Noob
Black and DLC
PAM 026 Noob
PAM 292 Noob J-series
PAM 441 KW Ceramic
PAM 438 KW Ceramic
White dial
PAM 113 H maker or better new Noob version
Special Series
PAM 417-411-416 KW
Automatic
PAM 104 Noob O-series
PAM 299 Noob O-series
Power Reserve
PAM 057 DSN
PAM 027 DSN
LUMINOR 1950
PAM 312 KW
PAM 127 Noob
PAM 217 Noob
PAM 359 KW
PAM 441 KW Ceramic
PAM 438 KW Ceramic
CHRONOS
PAM 253 H maker
PAM 356 Noob
PAM 326 Noob
SUB
PAM 243 Noob
PAM 364 Noob
PAM 389 KW
Radiomir
PAM 288 H maker
PAM 388 KW
PAM 505 KW
PAM 346 KW
PAM 380 H maker
PAM 292 J Noob
PAM 448 Clone
PAM 424 Clone
PAM 449 Clone
I hope don't forget anyone
ALE
Thanks for the updated list Ale. In terms of most accurate (or potentially most accurate), I have to go with the Noob 243 v2., 111N or 299O. Among those three, I have to go with the 243. Both the gen 243 and 299 have modified ETA 7750s--same as the rep. Even when you take the caseback's off, it looks pretty good in there. 
With the newer crystals/cyclops and thinner crowns, the 299 and 243 are both true super reps. But anything on Ale's list is going to be a quality purchase (I note the lack of ZF products-- ).
Ale, what do you think about this proposition? If I bumped into you randomly at a party wearing my noob 243, would you (who I consider a true authority on pams) be able to tell it's a rep without asking me to take it off and hand it to you to look at for a minute or two??? Macro pictures on a forum are one thing, determining a rep/gen in the real world is completely different challenge altogether. If you're not a rwi fanatic and you just dabble in the world of gens without studying the nuances like Ale does, you'll never be able to identify a noob 243 v2 as a rep in the wild without seriously close scrutiny (perhaps with magnification), a known gen to compare or a ton of very detailed pictures of a gen from the same model year.
With the newer crystals/cyclops and thinner crowns, the 299 and 243 are both true super reps. But anything on Ale's list is going to be a quality purchase (I note the lack of ZF products-- ). Ale, what do you think about this proposition? If I bumped into you randomly at a party wearing my noob 243, would you (who I consider a true authority on pams) be able to tell it's a rep without asking me to take it off and hand it to you to look at for a minute or two??? Macro pictures on a forum are one thing, determining a rep/gen in the real world is completely different challenge altogether. If you're not a rwi fanatic and you just dabble in the world of gens without studying the nuances like Ale does, you'll never be able to identify a noob 243 v2 as a rep in the wild without seriously close scrutiny (perhaps with magnification), a known gen to compare or a ton of very detailed pictures of a gen from the same model year.
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Hi set
It is almost impossible to tell a good quality PAM rep in the wrist and from some distance.
People not aware of the flaws will not be able to see it without movement inspection and knowing the movement and the flaws.
If you know some obvious flaws of a good rep you could tell the rep in a close inspection even in your wrist. For example: narrower polished external edge of the bezel in PAM 243 Noob. Some sausage lume structure like in PAM 000 and PAM 005.... White lume in hands of PAM 187 Noob....Some bad CP.... Some CG with rounded corners...
In the hand and in a side by side comparison with a close and long inspection many people will be able to tell something especial in the gen
ALE
It is almost impossible to tell a good quality PAM rep in the wrist and from some distance.
People not aware of the flaws will not be able to see it without movement inspection and knowing the movement and the flaws.
If you know some obvious flaws of a good rep you could tell the rep in a close inspection even in your wrist. For example: narrower polished external edge of the bezel in PAM 243 Noob. Some sausage lume structure like in PAM 000 and PAM 005.... White lume in hands of PAM 187 Noob....Some bad CP.... Some CG with rounded corners...
In the hand and in a side by side comparison with a close and long inspection many people will be able to tell something especial in the gen
ALE
This thread is such a fantastic resource and ALE for his hard work and dedication has my appreciation. I consider myself a newbie and look forward to continued learning. Its just a shame that only the PAMs have someone like ALE to do all this work. I know there are many equally skilled Rolex experts and a few Omega and AP fans but no one gives so much to this forum. Thank You ALE.
Yes, great stuff ALE. Just got my feet wet not too long ago in the PAM world with the traveling arktos from Watt, and loved it. so Pam's will be in my future, and your knowledge definitely will help my decisions.
As you have all said, Ale's advice and guidance is invaluable
I have learned so much from him and this forum. Keep up the great work Ale
I have learned so much from him and this forum. Keep up the great work Ale
As a noob to the world of reps, I find this thread being tremendous sources of helpful information and highly complementary to ALE"s guide.
Thank you everyone of this outstanding effort and dedication!
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Thank you everyone of this outstanding effort and dedication!
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Ale re Rads wouldn't you include the 425 SC,, it's spot on,, but never gets any attention? Maybe I'm missing something
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Ale re Rads wouldn't you include the 425 SC,, it's spot on,, but never gets any attention? Maybe I'm missing something
I have not got yet info enough about this watch
All the case and movement seem the same as 448 and 449, but unfortunately the pig and the ENGRAVED inscription are not as accurate as the dials with printed inscriptions and without pig logo
Indeed PAM 425 is a good and nice rep, but I would prefer 448 and 449 due to above mentioned
ALE
Ask, my friend, and ye shall receive:
RECOMMENDED PAM REPS - NOVEMBER 2014 (courtesy of ALE)
Luminor Base
PAM 390 Noob
Luminor Marina
PAM 417-416-411 KW
PAM 111 Noob V3
PAM 026 Noob
GMT
PAM 088 Noob O-series
PAM 029 Noob V2
PAM 297 Noob O-series
Titanium
PAM 177-176 Noob
Black and DLC
PAM 026 Noob
PAM 292 Noob J-series
PAM 438 KW Ceramic
PAM 441 KW Ceramic
White dial
PAM 113 H maker or better new Noob version
Special Series
PAM 417-411-416 KW
Automatic
PAM 104 Noob O-series
PAM 299 Noob O-series
Power Reserve
PAM 057 DSN
PAM 027 DSN
LUMINOR 1950
PAM 312 KW
PAM 127 Noob
PAM 217 Noob
PAM 359 KW
PAM 441 KW Ceramic
PAM 438 KW Ceramic
CHRONOS
PAM 253 H maker
PAM 356 Noob
PAM 326 Noob
SUB
PAM 243 Noob
PAM 364 Noob
PAM 389 KW
Radiomir
PAM 288 H maker
PAM 388 KW
PAM 505 KW
PAM 346 KW
PAM 380 H maker
PAM 292 J Noob
PAM 448 Clone
PAM 424 Clone
?
PAM 449 Clone
hi ale
can help me to understand why 448 would be in your list as it is yet being a super rep? does it still suffer from any lume application issue, like cavities not filled?
appreciate your expertise on this
many thanks
can help me to understand why 448 would be in your list as it is yet being a super rep? does it still suffer from any lume application issue, like cavities not filled?
appreciate your expertise on this
many thanks
No sir, thank you! Your dedication to this hobby and to RWI make it easy for noobs like myself to select the best Pam rep!
Well, I loose my 089 (can't stop staring at that anthracite dial), I'm impatiently awaiting a new 441 (they were out of the 438 at the time, but I may try to get a ceramic bracelet...) and think my next one may be a 505 (that brown color just very, very nice). Then, if can..., I'll try to stop for a while.
yah sure...
yah sure...