Swiss ETA 2836/2834 vs Yuki/SH/SA 3135 (Durability)

[gamba66]

Sh/yuki 3135 could be converted to 3155 as the gen 3155 use 3135 mainplate as a base
Several parts has to be replaced and add it to get the date day functionality, but is possible and I done it before
Question is if the rep case will take the movement? As the day plate is larger then standard sh date plate

I really don't know this would simply have to be tried out. There are not alot of references because the twbest/wm9 daydate seems to be so extremely rare, even rarer than the 16613.

Did you build a daydate franken with this kind of movement before? I would be very curious as to which case/bracelet you used and if you maybe have some pictures of that?

After making this thread I do feel better going with a gen swiss eta even though using rep day and datewheeloverlays is kind of a hit I would have really liked to use gen day/datewheels plus hands.. If I would have been going 3135 then genuine rolex. (which would also need to be converted)

 

[watchservicesny]

I used white gold ST case made for 3155
The problem with gen 3155 is you still have to buy 3135 ($1700) an add 3155 parts ($600) versus sh3135 ($300) plus 3155 parts


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[gamba66]

I used white gold ST case made for 3155
The problem with gen 3155 is you still have to buy 3135 ($1700) an add 3155 parts ($600) versus sh3135 ($300) plus 3155 parts


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Awesome so did complete that startime build with a leather bracelet, whitegold italian aftermarket or genuine president bracelet?

I would be so extremely happy if you could provide some pictures of that build! Also curious to see which dial was used.

I think your right but isnt the yuki one more expensive at around 385 stock? In anyways it is a huge investment just to get the day/datewheel and hands to fit.

One important thing I am considering for my franken is longevity and reliability: The twbest/wm9 daydate has solid center links in the bracelet, so no worries about stretch like genuine and steel is a better material in consideration of scratches and dents than 18k gold or even platinum. As long as my final build will look good I am satisfied even if it doesn't have the exact shine as whitegold (greyish)

 

[go000ob]

tbh i don't think it's worth it to go through all this trouble.
just get a day date with a swiss eta 2836 and believe me you will be satisfied

 

[Versaceboy54]

What movment came with your TW Best? Mine was Swiss Eta and it still has yet to need a service after 10 plus years and is still at about +5 sec per day

 

[maxracingshox]

What movment came with your TW Best? Mine was Swiss Eta and it still has yet to need a service after 10 plus years and is still at about +5 sec per day

At least get the winding gears cleaned and greased if you want to enjoy it for longer...

 

[Versaceboy54]

At least get the winding gears cleaned and greased if you want to enjoy it for longer...

Your rite I really should. After 10 + years the watch and movement deserves it!


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[gamba66]

What movment came with your TW Best? Mine was Swiss Eta and it still has yet to need a service after 10 plus years and is still at about +5 sec per day

It came with a swiss eta, in an earlier thread I asked if it was genuine and it was confirmed across all the replica boards.

It will be serviced anyways when I will have finally collected all the parts and send them out to the modder. It is the smoothest running swiss eta watch I have ever owned and I have owned about 5 before.

I would recommend the same to you my friend, maybe add a genuine dial (You need day/dateoverlaywheels and a modder for that) and gen crown along the way?

After the responses in this thread I will go with the swiss eta in the twbest.

I have a second (first one is black for the twbest) super luminova daydate dial in blue sunburst and I will probably use it for another build, thats why it is interesting to see what potential parts I could use in that build

Spoiler: Blue Rolex Daydate Dial

 

[Hinclimincli]

I think there's another variable that @gamba66 has actually asked for: longevity.

In 20 years, any watchsmith will be able to help you with your Swiss ETA. Would you say the same about a SA3135 or SH3135? I'm sure they are good movements, and a true advance in this business (no other brand has been repped up to the movement, only Rolex with these two movements). But if now it's difficult to get spare parts, I don't want to even think how hard it will be to get some in 10 years from now, if shit hits the fan (or the reversing wheels *cough *cough).

 

[maxracingshox]

I think there's another variable that @gamba66 has actually asked for: longevity.

In 20 years, any watchsmith will be able to help you with your Swiss ETA. Would you say the same about a SA3135 or SH3135? I'm sure they are good movements, and a true advance in this business (no other brand has been repped up to the movement, only Rolex with these two movements). But if now it's difficult to get spare parts, I don't want to even think how hard it will be to get some in 10 years from now, if shit hits the fan (or the reversing wheels *cough *cough).

This might be true for SA3135 movements, but afaik SH3135 takes all the gen parts except balance and escapement. I have fitted all of the gen bridges and auto winding module on my Explorer.
If I feel like it in the future I may try to install a gen balance or similar stuff. Messing around with SH movements is so much fun to me, it's well worth it...

 

[Hinclimincli]

This might be true for SA3135 movements, but afaik SH3135 takes all the gen parts except balance and escapement. I have fitted all of the gen bridges and auto winding module on my Explorer.
If I feel like it in the future I may try to install a gen balance or similar stuff. Messing around with SH movements is so much fun to me, it's well worth it...

While I agree with you, I am not sure this is the point we are discussing or what Gamba is asking for. He wants reliability and longevity over fidelity to the gen, regardless of money. A Swiss ETA 2824 is reliable right out of the box. He'll, you can even try to get a top grade one and it will run COSC right away (not to mention the parts used on a the top grade ETAs -better shock protection, better hairspring, better pallet stone, better balance wheel, etc).

On other hand, even SH3135 requires some mods and a proper service to be at least closer to that reliability+longevity.

Just to reassert, I'm not throwing crap at the SH3135, I think they're good movements and really interesting to work with. But the key here is reliability and longevity. And I still think the ETA wins on that.

 

[gamba66]

I think there's another variable that @gamba66 has actually asked for: longevity.

In 20 years, any watchsmith will be able to help you with your Swiss ETA. Would you say the same about a SA3135 or SH3135? I'm sure they are good movements, and a true advance in this business (no other brand has been repped up to the movement, only Rolex with these two movements). But if now it's difficult to get spare parts, I don't want to even think how hard it will be to get some in 10 years from now, if shit hits the fan (or the reversing wheels *cough *cough).

Yes that was one important variable to me and I don't think 20 years is necessary for problems to arrive, this could already be the case in 3 to 5. Many modders come and go.

This might be true for SA3135 movements, but afaik SH3135 takes all the gen parts except balance and escapement. I have fitted all of the gen bridges and auto winding module on my Explorer.
If I feel like it in the future I may try to install a gen balance or similar stuff. Messing around with SH movements is so much fun to me, it's well worth it...

Then the question arises why not go gen in the first place instead of changing nearly all parts gen? Imo the price-and-quality ratio between a serviced and franked 3135 clone to genuine 3135 is marginal at best. Also what would you do if the balance or escapement breaks?

Another point is spare part availability, rolex doesnt sell spare parts on the open market and they are very limited and expensive on the used market. It is not like it is an easy task to be able to buy the exact spare part you need when a problem arises.

I think this doesnt apply to you though because you like working on movements but for end-users it may be more a hassle than a passion

 

[maxracingshox]

While I agree with you, I am not sure this is the point we are discussing or what Gamba is asking for. He wants reliability and longevity over fidelity to the gen, regardless of money. A Swiss ETA 2824 is reliable right out of the box. He'll, you can even try to get a top grade one and it will run COSC right away (not to mention the parts used on a the top grade ETAs -better shock protection, better hairspring, better pallet stone, better balance wheel, etc).

On other hand, even SH3135 requires some mods and a proper service to be at least closer to that reliability+longevity.

Just to reassert, I'm not throwing crap at the SH3135, I think they're good movements and really interesting to work with. But the key here is reliability and longevity. And I still think the ETA wins on that.

You guys made me so nervous about etas I had to take my TC apart and gave it a full service and adjusting this evening
Etas are incredibly good movements and gen 3135s are incredibly good movements. The difference is price vs. functionality. A modded SH movement floats around somewhere in the middle.
Btw. I never heard top grade etas have different shock protection and pallet stones??

 

[maxracingshox]

Then the question arises why not go gen in the first place instead of changing nearly all parts gen? Imo the price-and-quality ratio between a serviced and franked 3135 clone to genuine 3135 is marginal at best. Also what would you do if the balance or escapement breaks?

Another point is spare part availability, rolex doesnt sell spare parts on the open market and they are very limited and expensive on the used market. It is not like it is an easy task to be able to buy the exact spare part you need when a problem arises.

I think this doesnt apply to you though because you like working on movements but for end-users it may be more a hassle than a passion

This is true. Etas are easier to live with, no doubt. I have a box full of gen eta parts where I could build probably 3 or 4 movements. Imagine you would do this with gen 3135 parts...
I am spoiled though. Never touch a 3135, because you can't think of anything else from that moment... lol

 

[Hinclimincli]

Btw. I never heard top grade etas have different shock protection and pallet stones??

Yep, the 2824 comes with four grades: standard, elaboré, top and chronometer. The two latter ones are their top grades and have some different components, and come adjusted to really impressive parameters.

ETAs are really good movements, we tend to praise the in house movements, but there are countless top game brands that still go with the top ETA calibers. Breitling, Longines, IWC, Tudor, etc. They make a minor modification and change the name, but they're ETAs after all. And you can get one of these for way less than a gen 3135...

 

[maxracingshox]

Yep, the 2824 comes with four grades: standard, elaboré, top and chronometer. The two latter ones are their top grades and have some different components, and come adjusted to really impressive parameters.

ETAs are really good movements, we tend to praise the in house movements, but there are countless top game brands that still go with the top ETA calibers. Breitling, Longines, IWC, Tudor, etc. They make a minor modification and change the name, but they're ETAs after all. And you can get one of these for way less than a gen 3135...

I know this
What I didn't know is that they come with different shock protection and pallets.
As far as I know Incabloc can be had with any movement grade and the changes are a glucydur balance and different hairspring.

 

[gamba66]

Just want to say thanks again for all your replies, really learned alot about the SA/SH/Yuki 3135 and I can really see its appeal.

If one has a good modder that upgrades it with franken parts then why not give it a shot? Amazing thought that gen dials, datewheels and hands just fit right on

 

[Versaceboy54]

It came with a swiss eta, in an earlier thread I asked if it was genuine and it was confirmed across all the replica boards.

It will be serviced anyways when I will have finally collected all the parts and send them out to the modder. It is the smoothest running swiss eta watch I have ever owned and I have owned about 5 before.

I would recommend the same to you my friend, maybe add a genuine dial (You need day/dateoverlaywheels and a modder for that) and gen crown along the way?

After the responses in this thread I will go with the swiss eta in the twbest.

I have a second (first one is black for the twbest) super luminova daydate dial in blue sunburst and I will probably use it for another build, thats why it is interesting to see what potential parts I could use in that build

Spoiler: Blue Rolex Daydate Dial

Sorry I haven't gotten back to you sooner. Yes Swiss eta is the way to go for this build!

I would love to do a gen dial on mine but the thing is I love my MOP dial. The only way I'd go gen is if I found the same exact one to replace it with and I already have a gen crown on mine. As of late I've been focused on my wrapped dd40 so the TW best has been on the back burner but eventually I will figure out what I'm doing.

Did you find another tw best to use for your 2nd build?!


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[drphillyfly]

I heard so many story versions that the SH3135 is either very good or very bad. Makes me doubt if i should be getting one.
I just ordered my 116610 LN with the SA2836 as those movements sound a lot more stable.

 

[ssouthall6]

Vr3135 is the business, amazing clone


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