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SuperReps: an observation

sub4me

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Jumbie, I really think where the core of their business at least to the dealers here, just trying finding their sites on google, it'll never happen and I don't think Andrew and Josh are standing on the street corner in a long trech coats selling reps, LOL. This is the very best exposure these guys are gonna get we are thier business.

Allergydoc, exactly theres never gonna be QC in this business. Which is why no matter what the claim I ain't spending that kinda money on any rep.
 

Jumbie

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AllergyDoc said:
How's that going to happen?
Never with an attitude like that one. If you, as a customer, are willing to accept that it won't happen, then it won't.

I'm not asking for a watch that is tuned to COSC standards that's perfectly oiled and lumed. But there are lots of minor flaws that are easily fixed but aren't. It doesn't matter that it's an illegal factory to want to ask for screws that don't fall out. That's just shoddy work, illegal or not.

There are some here who demand a perfect 1:1 rep. I'm not one of them. I don't mind if the hands are a little off or the lume is a different colour or the date wheel isn't perfectly centered. But I won't pay a lot of money for a watch that is built as poorly as some of these reps are; hence why I have a cap on how much I'm willing to pay and will never buy something like the HBB no matter how much I may like it (even though I don't really in this case).
 

MICAVI

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AllergyDoc said:
Improve QC? Illegal watches manufactured in China? How's that going to happen?

I have purchased a few replicas that just amazed me with there quality. They were built quite solid and kept time aswell as any swiss made watch, so it is possible for these chinese factories to put out a nice solid watch. The problem is not every watch is created equal, so if our dealers want to charge the prices they do, than they should be hand picking our $400-$600 dollar watches. A $500 dollar watch that has to be shipped back a couple times quickly becomes a $600 dollar watch when you add the shipping in, that is money that could have went towards a better quality watch.
 

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MICAVI said:
AllergyDoc said:
Improve QC? Illegal watches manufactured in China? How's that going to happen?

I have purchased a few replicas that just amazed me with there quality. They were built quite solid and kept time aswell as any swiss made watch, so it is possible for these chinese factories to put out a nice solid watch. The problem is not every watch is created equal, so if our dealers want to charge the prices they do, than they should be hand picking our $400-$600 dollar watches. A $500 dollar watch that has to be shipped back a couple times quickly becomes a $600 dollar watch when you add the shipping in, that is money that could have went towards a better quality watch.

I agree wholeheartedly. QC issues are solved at the level where they are initially purchased from the Manufacturer. Dealers with excellent QC will be rewarded for same by our business. Every "Super" Rep should not only be hand inspected for visual flaws but mechanically as well.

What do our esteemed dealers say about this? I know it creates more work for you, but isn't that worth the extra business - even at a price premium passed on to consumers?
 

sexybeast

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has anybody ever tested one of these super reps to make sure it's water proof? really water proof?
 

Jumbie

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MICAVI said:
The problem is not every watch is created equal, so if our dealers want to charge the prices they do, than they should be hand picking our $400-$600 dollar watches. A $500 dollar watch that has to be shipped back a couple times quickly becomes a $600 dollar watch when you add the shipping in, that is money that could have went towards a better quality watch.
I'm happy that there's something that I, as a consumer, can do about that. It's not perfect and there is still the risk of problems with the movement down the line but it's why I don't ever plan on buying from someone who drop ships (unless, like TWP they are easily accessible through being in the same country as me e.g. you send your return to him not China). There are enough dealers such as Ruby, TTK, Narikaa, etc. who handle their products before mailing them out.

Even if their prices ended up being more expensive (and I haven't found that to be the case), it's still worth the extra checking, decreased hassle/stress and "insurance".
 

pugwash

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sub4me said:
I don't believe theres any such thing as a super rep. [...] Reps are fun yes but lets not overpay for an item just because its claimed to be a super watch.
Dealers don't refer to the watches as SuperReps. It's a term people like us apply to certain watches. The term has been used to describe watches exclusively made by the maker of the Big Bang rep, but others encompass watches like the 3717 or the uPO in the term.
 

Jumbie

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sub4me said:
Jumbie, I really think where the core of their business at least to the dealers here, just trying finding their sites on google, it'll never happen and I don't think Andrew and Josh are standing on the street corner in a long trech coats selling reps, LOL. This is the very best exposure these guys are gonna get we are thier business.
I really don't know. I'm sure people here make up a decent part of their business and likely are the ones who might invest in the more expensive reps but I somehow don't see us as being the majority of buyers.

I guess we'll never know unless one of the bigger dealers speaks up and I don't see that as being likely to happen.
 

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sexybeast said:
has anybody ever tested one of these super reps to make sure it's water proof? really water proof?
Has anyone ever used the search ... no, never mind.

Yes, the Steelfish has been tested and is as waterproof as the tester would go.
http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15956
(search terms used to find the post: "steelfish lol" as I knew it was a Joe post :shock:)

Anyone complaining about QC has never seen a Steelfish rep in the flesh, by the way.
 

AllergyDoc

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"Consumer Advocacy"

What this thread is suggesting is "consumer advocacy:" threatening dealers that if they don't "shape up" we'll take our business elsewhere! While that may work somewhat with small dealers who sell primarily to members of replica watch forums, it probably has no effect whatsoever with the "big guys," like Josh, Andrew, etc. Watch forum members make up a tiny % of their sales. Also, I'll bet the sellers we're all familiar with have little sway over QC because they make up a small % of the factory's business.

The idea that a few hundred forum members, or even a few thousand, can influence the replica market as a whole is ludicrous.

That being said, it's great that forums like RWI exist. Without them most of us would be buying from the likes of bluescams and worstswiss. Dealers selling bad watches and giving bad service should be identified, so at least the few of us who care enough to log on and do a little reading can avoid them.

We're like a small (very small in a world-wide market) club.

Think of it this way. If all of Boise Idaho decided to stop buying Mobile gas for a week to get them to drop their prices, do you think Mobile gas would care? What if Boise did it for a year? Mobile would probably close the Boise stations and keep selling gas at whatever price they wish.

Bottom line: Pick your dealer(s) with care; through e-mail ID exactly what you're expecting to get; if you don't get what you were promised hold them to their word.

Anyway, just my two cents. Obviously I've learned all this from others who know more than I do and have been in this "game" for years.

RWI is a great forum filled with people who know what they're talking about: a great resource. Let's just not deceive ourselves by thinking the watch factories and dealers in China read our threads.
 

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Re: "Consumer Advocacy"

AllergyDoc said:
While that may work somewhat with small dealers who sell primarily to members of replica watch forums, it probably has no effect whatsoever with the "big guys," like Josh, Andrew, etc. Watch forum members make up a tiny % of their sales.
Don't be so sure. They want you to think that, but it's not really the case. 8)
 

Jumbie

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Re: "Consumer Advocacy"

AllergyDoc said:
What this thread is suggesting is "consumer advocacy:" threatening dealers that if they don't "shape up" we'll take our business elsewhere! While that may work somewhat with small dealers who sell primarily to members of replica watch forums, it probably has no effect whatsoever with the "big guys," like Josh, Andrew, etc. Watch forum members make up a tiny % of their sales. Also, I'll bet the sellers we're all familiar with have little sway over QC because they make up a small % of the factory's business.

The idea that a few hundred forum members, or even a few thousand, can influence the replica market as a whole is ludicrous.

Sadly, I agree.

My response to you isn't that I have unrealistic expectations that we can do something. I honestly don't think that we can because I agree that we are probably just a tiny portion of the market. My point is that the more everyone thinks that it's hopeless to expect some kind of QC the more that becomes a reality. So my own perspective is that I think it's possible and not too much to ask but...still isn't likely to occur...

Unfortunately.

That being said, it's great that forums like RWI exist. Without them most of us would be buying from the likes of bluescams and worstswiss. Dealers selling bad watches and giving bad service should be identified, so at least the few of us who care enough to log on and do a little reading can avoid them.

We're like a small (very small in a world-wide market) club.

Think of it this way. If all of Boise Idaho decided to stop buying Mobile gas for a week to get them to drop their prices, do you think Mobile gas would care? What if Boise did it for a year? Mobile would probably close the Boise stations and keep selling gas at whatever price they wish.

Bottom line: Pick your dealer(s) with care; through e-mail ID exactly what you're expecting to get; if you don't get what you were promised hold them to their word.

Anyway, just my two cents. Obviously I've learned all this from others who know more than I do and have been in this "game" for years.

RWI is a great forum filled with people who know what they're talking about: a great resource. Let's just not deceive ourselves by thinking the watch factories and dealers in China read our threads.
Again, I agree and I'm doing exactly what you suggested above (and I explained previously) with regards to dealers.

Cheers.
 

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Without parts availability - the risk is much higher to purchase the so-called Superrep. I have no problem paying $300+ for a rep of excellent quality - but it would really help if there were parts available in case of problems.

Cases in point -

- purchase of the HBB SS and then lost a detail screw. Was LUCKY to get King to send me some. I've got a friend who scratched his bezel - there goes $400 plus down the drain.
- purchase of the IWC 3717 to find the bracelet too small - and with no extra links available - sold on the forum the same day.
- purchase of the SFSO - lost a screw (luckily found it and locktite'd (is that a word?) back in.

The list goes on, but it's not just QC. If we could convince the factories to supply extra parts to the dealers it would be a lot easier for me to justify the purchase of a $300, $400 even $500 super rep.
 

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Re: "Consumer Advocacy"

pugwash said:
AllergyDoc said:
While that may work somewhat with small dealers who sell primarily to members of replica watch forums, it probably has no effect whatsoever with the "big guys," like Josh, Andrew, etc. Watch forum members make up a tiny % of their sales.
Don't be so sure. They want you to think that, but it's not really the case. 8)
Is this "insider's information," an educated guess, or just a guess? :wink:
 

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reeseg said:
Without parts availability - the risk is much higher to purchase the so-called Superrep. I have no problem paying $300+ for a rep of excellent quality - but it would really help if there were parts available in case of problems.
Good points.

I guess that this doesn't concern just super reps but all reps but I've always considered what would happen if there weren't someone like ziggy around to service/fix the 7750 or some of the other members such as vaccum who are available for the non-chrono ETA movements given that most regular watch smiths want nothing to do with reps.

That is money down the drain if something happens. No problem with a gen even if you do have to pay more to fix it.

(luckily found it and locktite'd (is that a word?) back in.
It is now. :)
 

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AllergyDoc said:
pugwash said:
Don't be so sure. They want you to think that, but it's not really the case. 8)
Is this "insider's information," an educated guess, or just a guess? :wink:
I'm not an insider, so I'd call it a very educated guess. :wink:
 

sub4me

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pugwash said:
Dealers don't refer to the watches as SuperReps. It's a term people like us apply to certain watches. The term has been used to describe watches exclusively made by the maker of the Big Bang rep, but others encompass watches like the 3717 or the uPO in the term.

Thanks for that tidbit, duh. BTW the Ultimate PO still has a ultimate pos bracelet clasp.
 

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pugwash said:
sexybeast said:
has anybody ever tested one of these super reps to make sure it's water proof? really water proof?
Has anyone ever used the search ... no, never mind.

Yes, the Steelfish has been tested and is as waterproof as the tester would go.
http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15956
(search terms used to find the post: "steelfish lol" as I knew it was a Joe post :shock:)

Anyone complaining about QC has never seen a Steelfish rep in the flesh, by the way.

yea maybe you did not understand my question, hs anybody tested one of these reps yet? yes or no would surfice
 

MICAVI

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Re: "Consumer Advocacy"

pugwash said:
AllergyDoc said:
pugwash said:
Don't be so sure. They want you to think that, but it's not really the case. 8)
Is this "insider's information," an educated guess, or just a guess? :wink:
I'm not an insider, so I'd call it a very educated guess. :wink:



I would have to agree with Pug's "educated guess". While we are a small percentage of the replica market as a whole, I would imagine we make up a majority of the "Super Replica" market. Other than the people who have found out about this forum, how many people do you think will be willing to spend $300-$700 dollars on a replica. We go over every watch with a fine tooth comb, we notice every imperfection, we are the ones that need a "Super Rep" to be satisfied. Most people will not care whether their watch has an ETA movt. or whether their caseback engraving matches the genuine 100%. Scam sites certainley aren't shipping "Super Reps" and you'd be hard pressed to find one walking up and down the streets of China. Most people are not in the market for a "Super Rep". Take the MBW's for example, according to George they are made to order, you can't just walk up to a street vendor and say I'll take one MBW please. So if there really is a much larger market for "Super Replicas' than what we provide than where are all these other buyers?