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Some teaser pictures , new movement p9001?

ALE7575

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ALE - Touche' Friend... I just did a FIND /F3 function in there, and that was the 292 i came up with. Thanks for the clarification... ill scroll around in the same area I hit F3 on next time :)

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Sora's QC SUPERB PICS.

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Sora's Quality control pics + communication + service AAA+++

Top Dealer here. Never dealt with problems yet, but so far the guy look very good..

Notes:
1. The GMT HAND HAS 24h rotation..
(Is the Gen 24h or 12h rotation?)
2. The Asso is as usual tught and hard, but good quality
3. Case back engraving in
OP 6883 & number BB 1500550 seem to have a flaw.
4. The 28j instead if 29j remains
5. Not very satisfied with the lume.. I ll update in the following days on this..

The BB1500550 line seems to be "derailed" .
It does not "follow" the round case incription, but looks like its incripted off centered to the outside...( dont know if i m describing correctly)

ALE i accidentally posted elsewhere and edited.
Could someone verify movement?
I m running some tests, as it might be loosing time.. But we will see, maybe needs a good manual winding to run in...
**Received the watch today. It is not working properly as its loosing too much time... Actually, although the seconds @9 keep sweeping, the minute hand is not moving every 10 ten minutes, and although the watch seems to be working , the hour is remaining still.

EDIT:
I fully winded my 441 many times,although the winder isnt getting ''harder'' as i wind it, like all my other watches.
From the case back decoration, i cannot distinguish details to judge whether its winding properly...but after wearing it for an hour and winding the watch i checked 5 hours later, and although the seconds keep sweeping the watch has lost a whole hour!! Very strange,as someone would suppose that the seconds should of have stop also working..
 

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I still wonder why panerai didnt feature the quick release strap button in the 441....
Maybe because its dlc?
 

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Has anyone (who has received the watch) been able to definitely determine whether or not the crystal casing back for PAM 441 is clear or darkened? Thanks!


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I have the 441 - and it already had to be sent in for service, the GMT function stopped working, so its going to be sitting with speedy for 3 months. the Caseback crystal is CLEAR, no tint what so ever.
 

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I think i was among the first people... to receive this watch with the updated movement decoration.

It had a movement problem from the beginning so i sent it back for repair...

Still waiting to come back...

It has a clear crystal on the back as discussed earlier in this thread...

No tinted back and the GMT is 24h which is wrong, the gen is 12h.
 

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My 441, which has the p9000 decoration, has a tinted crystal back.

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I have the 441 - and it already had to be sent in for service, the GMT function stopped working, so its going to be sitting with speedy for 3 months. the Caseback crystal is CLEAR, no tint what so ever.

Thanks for the info re: caseback being clear.

I see that the current 441 has a clear caseback but hope that the NEW version coming down the pipeline (still is, right?) will have changes to be more in line with the GEN (e.g. darkened caseback, correct engravings), be super-lumed and a bit more reliable (reading people have problems with the movement).
 

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I think i was among the first people... to receive this watch with the updated movement decoration.

It had a movement problem from the beginning so i sent it back for repair...

Still waiting to come back...

It has a clear crystal on the back as discussed earlier in this thread...

No tinted back and the GMT is 24h which is wrong, the gen is 12h.


Good to know that the GMT is incorrect. Hopefully, these issues will be addressed in the next iteration.
 

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My 441, which has the p9000 decoration, has a tinted crystal back.

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Interesting. Do you know why yours came with a tinted back and others have not? Could it be that the initial batch was produced incorrectly and then fixed in later batches?

Could you provide a picture showing the contrast of the caseback tinting?
 

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Good to know that the GMT is incorrect. Hopefully, these issues will be addressed in the next iteration.

GMT function of 12hrs it will be impossible to be corrected with a rep movement, because there is no rep movement with GMT 12hrs. All them are 24hrs (becase are using date wheels of standard movements)

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Interesting. Do you know why yours came with a tinted back and others have not? Could it be that the initial batch was produced incorrectly and then fixed in later batches?

Could you provide a picture showing the contrast of the caseback tinting?

First batch clear, next batches darkened
That's all
Just that
No more comments needed

Maybe you will get a pic, but the result will be very variable depending on light conditions, and then... it will be completely no useful to see the effect.

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GMT function of 12hrs it will be impossible to be corrected with a rep movement, because there is no rep movement with GMT 12hrs. All them are 24hrs (becase are using date wheels of standard movements)

ALE

Interesting ALE, thanks for the info. So, the GMT 24hrs is a flaw that we'll just have to accept? I'm good with that.
 

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First batch clear, next batches darkened
That's all
Just that
No more comments needed

Maybe you will get a pic, but the result will be very variable depending on light conditions, and then... it will be completely no useful to see the effect.

ALE

Thanks for clarifying the caseback irregularities up. There are, obviously, several other inaccuracies about the current 441 that are probably more glaring then the degree of tinting of the caseback. Hopefully, some of them will be addressed in the new version.

Again, thanks.
 

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Interesting. Do you know why yours came with a tinted back and others have not? Could it be that the initial batch was produced incorrectly and then fixed in later batches?

Could you provide a picture showing the contrast of the caseback tinting?

he was talking about the angus version, which is the P9000 movement
Kuvarsit never released any pam441 in P9000 movements
And KW pam441 with p9001 does not have tinted caseback up till now. i rest my case
 

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he was talking about the angus version, which is the P9000 movement
Kuvarsit never released any pam441 in P9000 movements
And KW pam441 with p9001 does not have tinted caseback up till now. i rest my case

Yes, thanks for the clarification. I have seen Angus' version at Puretime and he does indeed have the P.9000 version with tinted caseback.

Tinting or no tinting the 441 is still a mighty fine looking watch.
 

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Thanks for clarifying the caseback irregularities up. There are, obviously, several other inaccuracies about the current 441 that are probably more glaring then the degree of tinting of the caseback. Hopefully, some of them will be addressed in the new version.

Again, thanks.

Exactly
This is the point an what I are meaning
I cannot agree more !!

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Yes, thanks for the clarification. I have seen Angus' version at Puretime and he does indeed have the P.9000 version with tinted caseback.

Tinting or no tinting the 441 is still a mighty fine looking watch.

Yes, correct, this was Angus' version with p9000 (no power reserve). It does have the tinted case back. I've had it for about 3 mos and no problems with the movement. Does the KW version look better?

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There is here a little of confusion

Gen PAM 441 is fitted with P.9001 movement, this is a movement like a P.9000 but with a PR indicator in the main bridge.

There are two good reps versions:
- Puretime type decorated movement P.9000 (without PR indicator) and darkened caseback
[URL="http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/redirector.php?url=http://www.puretime.co/product/pam441-o-dlc-best-edition-on-dark-brown-asso-strap-p9000-movement/"]http://www.puretime.co/product/pam441-o-dlc-best-edition-on-dark-brown-asso-strap-p9000-movement/[/URL]

- KW type decorated movement P.9001 with PR indicator and DARKENED crystal, at least in last batches. It is just a P.9000 decorated movement with a false PR indicator
http://www.tswatchltd.com/14093-pa14088-pam441-o-v2-luminor-gmt-blk-dlc-lt-p9000-kw-v
This version has way better finish and appearance than PT version

As far as I know Kuvarsit didn't sell this KW version directly, but they sell it through some dealers like TSWatches (link above mentioned) with darkened caseback and... Sora but seemingly without darkened caseback

All is already explained in PAM GUIDE, some time ago

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