It seems that the die hard followers know it all ..I don't read the forums and they all do , well that might be the case. However I talk from a position of first hand experience not urban myth. The others seem to speak from reading and hear say I report what I find .
Well I will go a little deeper this time. With facts not sales speak designed to sell watches .
The 7750 clones are well documented but did you know that the factories making them also grade them on an individual basis ?
Now I don't mean grade them as per each model but as per spec for each movement .
It works this way as each one is produced they are actually tested they are checked for beat rate, and they are checked for timing on a standard timing machine and set this I am sure comes as no surprise .
What may be a surprise ( but I am sure you will all tell me you knew ) is that they charge different selling rates to the companies that choose to pay more for the very same movement that comes from the very same production line because it will perform better . They do this by a very simple angle test with the beat rate and the timing machine . A better movement will work better under these condition ( of course we all knew that )
In simple terms the movements are graded with four grades from A thru D and A movement will keep and run much better than a D movement and will cost 50% more for the replica factory to buy it .
This means it is not just about the case or the detail , it also about how much they pay for the movement they put in the case and that in turn is how much they sell the watch for . In other words a 700 USD dollar watch is not just about how the case and watch is made, it is also about what class of 7750 they fit . It is not about beat rate or finish it is about what each movement can acheave while being tested . One looks exactly the same as another one could meet COSC and one cannot .
The fact is the Chinese have worked out that to make it cheap they have to cut corners and tolerance is not perfect, they have also worked out that they can get more for the ones that work better. They know that redress from bad ones is down to them so to fix all of these problems they graded them.
Now I have only just clarified this in the last week and in fact this has only started in the last few months so it properly has not filtered to the resellers yet . I learned this by seeing a shipment of ten 7750 for replacement in to various replicas they were supplied from the same factory ( they never ship the watch back as why risk a double bust so they trust repairs to a watchmaker ) they each had grades on them and I asked why I was then told and given examples to test once fitted to the repaired replicas . A grade D went into an IWC aquatimer and when I checked it it could not get better than 90 secs a day no matter how hard I tried , I then went the Hublot that I was lent and it had an A grade and it got + 3 secs a day . Some difference I am sure we all agree.
My dissection of the latest Hublots verified exactly what I was told, I was told which one would not time up and was told which one would I was told which one would have a higher accuracy in all respects and was told which one would not. One met COSC the other will never get there.
From this forum and others it would seem that this has been put down to luck and to date that may have well been the case, but in the future it will not be luck it will be by design .
The more you pay the better the 7750 " could be" but no one will be able to tell by looking at the mech .
My guess is the premium factories will pay that bit more for that bit extra then you and I will be able to get that COSC Chinese 7750 but until that is labeled on the watch and sold as a feature it will still be put down to luck .
Next time you buy a rep get the dealer to tell you what grade of 7750 is in it in the near future they will know, and I am sure they will be passing that cost on by offering the option.
The goal post are truly moving and I for one love the chase . To the know it all members I talk from ASIA and not as a reseller, if anyone has promoted this as a feature then to date it has been done as a local selection and not a structured sale from the off to the replica factory. That same reseller had to sell the bad ones too so some one got those don't forget for every good one there was a few bad ones and they did not throw those away.
My belief is that now if you get a bad one, it will be by design not by luck and if you get a good one it will be by the same selection process .
Oh I forgot you all know this already .. Sorry but I think not .
Well I will go a little deeper this time. With facts not sales speak designed to sell watches .
The 7750 clones are well documented but did you know that the factories making them also grade them on an individual basis ?
Now I don't mean grade them as per each model but as per spec for each movement .
It works this way as each one is produced they are actually tested they are checked for beat rate, and they are checked for timing on a standard timing machine and set this I am sure comes as no surprise .
What may be a surprise ( but I am sure you will all tell me you knew ) is that they charge different selling rates to the companies that choose to pay more for the very same movement that comes from the very same production line because it will perform better . They do this by a very simple angle test with the beat rate and the timing machine . A better movement will work better under these condition ( of course we all knew that )
In simple terms the movements are graded with four grades from A thru D and A movement will keep and run much better than a D movement and will cost 50% more for the replica factory to buy it .
This means it is not just about the case or the detail , it also about how much they pay for the movement they put in the case and that in turn is how much they sell the watch for . In other words a 700 USD dollar watch is not just about how the case and watch is made, it is also about what class of 7750 they fit . It is not about beat rate or finish it is about what each movement can acheave while being tested . One looks exactly the same as another one could meet COSC and one cannot .
The fact is the Chinese have worked out that to make it cheap they have to cut corners and tolerance is not perfect, they have also worked out that they can get more for the ones that work better. They know that redress from bad ones is down to them so to fix all of these problems they graded them.
Now I have only just clarified this in the last week and in fact this has only started in the last few months so it properly has not filtered to the resellers yet . I learned this by seeing a shipment of ten 7750 for replacement in to various replicas they were supplied from the same factory ( they never ship the watch back as why risk a double bust so they trust repairs to a watchmaker ) they each had grades on them and I asked why I was then told and given examples to test once fitted to the repaired replicas . A grade D went into an IWC aquatimer and when I checked it it could not get better than 90 secs a day no matter how hard I tried , I then went the Hublot that I was lent and it had an A grade and it got + 3 secs a day . Some difference I am sure we all agree.
My dissection of the latest Hublots verified exactly what I was told, I was told which one would not time up and was told which one would I was told which one would have a higher accuracy in all respects and was told which one would not. One met COSC the other will never get there.
From this forum and others it would seem that this has been put down to luck and to date that may have well been the case, but in the future it will not be luck it will be by design .
The more you pay the better the 7750 " could be" but no one will be able to tell by looking at the mech .
My guess is the premium factories will pay that bit more for that bit extra then you and I will be able to get that COSC Chinese 7750 but until that is labeled on the watch and sold as a feature it will still be put down to luck .
Next time you buy a rep get the dealer to tell you what grade of 7750 is in it in the near future they will know, and I am sure they will be passing that cost on by offering the option.
The goal post are truly moving and I for one love the chase . To the know it all members I talk from ASIA and not as a reseller, if anyone has promoted this as a feature then to date it has been done as a local selection and not a structured sale from the off to the replica factory. That same reseller had to sell the bad ones too so some one got those don't forget for every good one there was a few bad ones and they did not throw those away.
My belief is that now if you get a bad one, it will be by design not by luck and if you get a good one it will be by the same selection process .
Oh I forgot you all know this already .. Sorry but I think not .
