Ruby's 111H vs. Trevors 111H....are there any differences?

[Jumbie]

Well, either way. I'm about a cunnie hair away from pulling the trigger on a modded PAM from TWA.

Been in touch with him about it and just taking a little while to check out some last-minute stuff first.

 

[tootall]

oBMTo, I feel this isn't really the thread to discuss the differences. There are quite a number of threads already on this movement. jb is a member of the BWB which looks out for these things and rogerwine was supposed to do a write up on the movement but fell ill. You could ask any one of the BWB and they could help as well. If you still want to know the difference after doing some searching, just PM me and I will more than glad to help.

 

[MK08]

I have a fully modded 177 I'm waiting on from ThumbWa, great product and great to deal with!

 

[maxse]

why couldn't they make the "Officine Panerai" smaller? Its a dead giveaway when you cant even read the whole words.

 

[sead1999]

Re: Ruby's 111H vs. Trevors 111H....are there any difference

wait two weeks and i show you a photo of my pam111h that i ordered from thumwa,
they say it should be very good

Which one did you buy from thumbwa? Do you have a link?

i just ordered today
http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25143

he seems like a nice guy

 

[ThumbModds]

looks eta-ish to me

Well ets-ish is not ETA

The ones linked to Ruby's and Trevor's are actually true Swiss ETA.

How can you tell?

technically no rep movements are swiss since they are not assembled in Switzerland. Which by definition is the only way any of them could be swiss. so by that definition no rep movements are swiss except the eta 2824 2836 and 2892, or a base 6497 with out panerai bridges.( as Ofrei sells.)No company except panerai themselves has a gen swiss made movement with cote de geneve bridges.

all of the swan neck movements wheter they be dagger or needle are built with asian bridges and swiss mechanicals (IE, the gears and jewels balance whell ETC.)

there is the asian clone but they do not have a eta stamp on the base plate. the eta stamp signifies that the base plate and mechanicals are swiss made.

No company except panerai themselves has a gen swiss made movement with cote de geneve bridges.

My movement is the exact same dagger movement Davidsen has been using for months now. It comes from the same manufacturer

 

[tootall]

technically no rep movements are swiss since they are not assembled in Switzerland. Which by definition is the only way any of them could be swiss. so by that definition no rep movements are swiss except the eta 2824 2836 and 2892, or a base 6497 with out panerai bridges.( as Ofrei sells.)No company except panerai themselves has a gen swiss made movement with cote de geneve bridges.

all of the swan neck movements wheter they be dagger or needle are built with asian bridges and swiss mechanicals (IE, the gears and jewels balance whell ETC.)

there is the asian clone but they do not have a eta stamp on the base plate. the eta stamp signifies that the base plate and mechanicals are swiss made.

No company except panerai themselves has a gen swiss made movement with cote de geneve bridges.

My movement is the exact same dagger movement Davidsen has been using for months now. It comes from the same manufacturer

Ok, I was not going to post the differences here, but I will now. The two most notable diffrences are the gold weight on the hairspring and the balance wheel spokes. On the true swiss the gold weight is counter sunk. I have confirmed this with ETA themselves (it took a month to do so, but they finally replied). Also, on the true ETA the balance wheel spokes are not flared out as much.

Furthermore, the movement that Davidsen is using is true swiss and the one ThumbWA is using is not. I have comparison pictures to prove that. They are different movements.

The issue about the branding and such does not make them 'non swiss', just adds things to the Swiss. That in no way alter the movement workings. Only the add-on of the swan neck does that. But ThumbWA's is not Swiss to begin with, so it does matter.

I am sure Thumbwa is a nice guy. I don't think he is purposely trying to scam anyone. He is most likely just restating what the factory is telling him.

Here is the comparison picture:



If you want me to point out the different tells I can do that too. Hope this helps.

 

[kinneyrhs]

@tootall - LOL THATS HILLARIOUS.. we are such anal bastards.. i can't believe we point stuff like taht out...

 

[tootall]

@tootall - LOL THATS HILLARIOUS.. we are such anal bastards.. i can't believe we point stuff like taht out...

Well, I don't call it being anal. It is how you tell the difference in a $100 movement vs a $35. Also Swiss are known to last much longer than their asian counter parts. So call it what you will, but there is a difference. If there wasn't, then charge the same price

 

[ThumbModds]

technically no rep movements are swiss since they are not assembled in Switzerland. Which by definition is the only way any of them could be swiss. so by that definition no rep movements are swiss except the eta 2824 2836 and 2892, or a base 6497 with out panerai bridges.( as Ofrei sells.)No company except panerai themselves has a gen swiss made movement with cote de geneve bridges.

all of the swan neck movements wheter they be dagger or needle are built with asian bridges and swiss mechanicals (IE, the gears and jewels balance whell ETC.)

there is the asian clone but they do not have a eta stamp on the base plate. the eta stamp signifies that the base plate and mechanicals are swiss made.

No company except panerai themselves has a gen swiss made movement with cote de geneve bridges.

My movement is the exact same dagger movement Davidsen has been using for months now. It comes from the same manufacturer

Ok, I was not going to post the differences here, but I will now. The two most notable diffrences are the gold weight on the hairspring and the balance wheel spokes. On the true swiss the gold weight is counter sunk. I have confirmed this with ETA themselves (it took a month to do so, but they finally replied). Also, on the true ETA the balance wheel spokes are not flared out as much.

Furthermore, the movement that Davidsen is using is true swiss and the one ThumbWA is using is not. I have comparison pictures to prove that. They are different movements.

The issue about the branding and such does not make them 'non swiss', just adds things to the Swiss. That in no way alter the movement workings. Only the add-on of the swan neck does that. But ThumbWA's is not Swiss to begin with, so it does matter.

I am sure Thumbwa is a nice guy. I don't think he is purposely trying to scam anyone. He is most likely just restating what the factory is telling him.

Here is the comparison picture:



If you want me to point out the different tells I can do that too. Hope this helps.

WTF? TOOTALL What do you have it out for me for?

you have been spouting nonsense for months now about my watches sending pm's to members telling them i am scamming them and so on.

you are becomong more than a irritant.

i use a Eta stamped movement PERIOD!

Why do you have this cross to bear, i have never even done business with you.

the fact of the matter is you really do not know WTF you are talking about you can show all the pics you want.

Calling me a scammer outright!!!!

No watch movements are true swiss exepct for a base 6497 like ofrei sells.

I have had this confirmed by Vaccum, Flavor Flav and RBJ69.

they are all varrying qualities of hybrids.

and yes you can change gears and briges. have you ever even worked on one yourself???

a base 6497 can take the asian briges and vice versa.

ETA definitely does not make the cote de geneve bridges on and any of the reps.

A man in china makes them on his CNC.

JB himself said to me he could easily have a eta stamp make at the engraver in 3 days are you nieve enough to beleive any of these are
true swiss

Say what you will this has gone on too long.

i am tired of your crusade.

 

[rogerwine]

Well, I am back from the dead and this is not the movemnet that was in question, but a different movement all togeather. And this movement is a definate improvement over the hybrid movement in question. Ziggy or Vacuum have not reviewed this movement to my knowledge. I would tend to believe Thumb that this is coming from the same source as the newer DSN movement and it is a Swiss based movement.
Rogerwine

 

[tootall]

Well, I am back from the dead and this is not the movemnet that was in question, but a different movement all togeather. And this movement is a definate improvement over the hybrid movement in question. Ziggy or Vacuum have not reviewed this movement to my knowledge. I would tend to believe Thumb that this is coming from the same source as the newer DSN movement and it is a Swiss based movement.
Rogerwine

Rogerwine, glad to see you are back. Yes, this is the movement in question, the 6497. I have the PM's to show that. Please read over again. Ziggy has reviewed the Davidsen Chinese one and here it is: http://www.rwg.cc/members/Movement-Revi ... t4033.html

This is the one ThumbWA is selling in his 111. The ones that are linked to in the very first post that Ruby and Trevor have are Swiss. Someone stated that Thumbwa had the same. I was simply pointing out it is not. Davidsen sells his as Swiss and they are true swiss. He labels the ones like the link above Asian Swiss.

I have nothing against you personally Thumbwa. I only present the facts. The fact is that your movement is different than what Davidsen sells as Swiss. Yours is different from the ones that Ruby and Trevor sell as Swiss. I emailed ETA and showed them comparative photos, and they stated that the one I showed them was a copy. These are just the facts. I am sorry if you think I am after you personally, I am not. I said you are a good guy. You helped me with the lume problem I had. So, I don't mean to pick on you. TWP actually had the same problem a while back, but has now listed his correctly.

I just think if you are going to represent something as Swiss, it should be just that. Not an Asian clone. I understand about the aftermarket add-on's but like I said, that has nothing to do with making it "non swiss". Yours is not swiss to begin with.

 

[ThumbModds]

You are simpliy missing the point all together aren't you?

None of the movements are true swiss period!


all of them are hybrid period!

No where in my add does it say swiss, does it?

As stated " ETA Marked ETA Marked 6497-2 with Fully adjustable Dagger Swan Neck
( COT'E DE GENEVE BRIDGES WITH ENGRAVED (NOT STICK ON) MARKINGS) "

it says ETA MARKED since i understand they are all hybrids.

the only true swiss movement is a movement that is made in Switzerland PERIOD!

that is the defintion given by the watch making community swiss made, is made in Switzerland of more the 51% swiss parts, assembled by swiss technicians.

so you arguement of false advertising is null and void since no where in any add do i state swiss, DO I?

 

[MK08]

Well, I am back from the dead and this is not the movemnet that was in question, but a different movement all togeather. And this movement is a definate improvement over the hybrid movement in question. Ziggy or Vacuum have not reviewed this movement to my knowledge. I would tend to believe Thumb that this is coming from the same source as the newer DSN movement and it is a Swiss based movement.
Rogerwine

Rogerwine, glad to see you are back. Yes, this is the movement in question, the 6497. I have the PM's to show that. Please read over again. Ziggy has reviewed the Davidsen Chinese one and here it is: http://www.rwg.cc/members/Movement-Revi ... t4033.html

This is the one ThumbWA is selling in his 111. The ones that are linked to in the very first post that Ruby and Trevor have are Swiss. Someone stated that Thumbwa had the same. I was simply pointing out it is not. Davidsen sells his as Swiss and they are true swiss. He labels the ones like the link above Asian Swiss.

I have nothing against you personally Thumbwa. I only present the facts. The fact is that your movement is different than what Davidsen sells as Swiss. Yours is different from the ones that Ruby and Trevor sell as Swiss. I emailed ETA and showed them comparative photos, and they stated that the one I showed them was a copy. These are just the facts. I am sorry if you think I am after you personally, I am not. I said you are a good guy. You helped me with the lume problem I had. So, I don't mean to pick on you. TWP actually had the same problem a while back, but has now listed his correctly.

I just think if you are going to represent something as Swiss, it should be just that. Not an Asian clone. I understand about the aftermarket add-on's but like I said, that has nothing to do with making it "non swiss". Yours is not swiss to begin with.

I've read over and looked at the Ziggy review several times and that is not the same movement ThumbWa offers. That review in question is of the fully Chinese copy 6497, as ThumbWa just stated his is ETA marked with the embellishments. The only way your getting the Panerai fully decorated swiss movement is from Panerai. As such I feel ThumbWa offers an exceptional product and service.

 

[calbears03]

i think i have the answer to solve all of this

tootall = trevor

there is no other explanation.

 

[tootall]

You are simpliy missing the point all together aren't you?

None of the movements are true swiss period!


all of them are hybrid period!

No where in my add does it say swiss, does it?

As stated " ETA Marked ETA Marked 6497-2 with Fully adjustable Dagger Swan Neck
( COT'E DE GENEVE BRIDGES WITH ENGRAVED (NOT STICK ON) MARKINGS) "

it says ETA MARKED since i understand they are all hybrids.

the only true swiss movement is a movement that is made in Switzerland PERIOD!

that is the defintion given by the watch making community swiss made, is made in Switzerland of more the 51% swiss parts, assembled by swiss technicians.

so you arguement of false advertising is null and void since no where in any add do i state swiss, DO I?

I am not missing any point. I have agreed with you on the aftermarket mods. I was simply stating that yours is different and NOT swiss as the ones from Ruby and Trevor in those links are.

You changed your description so that argument is null and void. However, you previously sold it as swiss.

Why am I seen as the bad guy? I am trying to help the community by pointing out these differences and showing that what dealers have claimed in the past to be Swiss, isn't really swiss. I am not slamming ThumbWa personally. I am just pointing out the flaws.

MK08, here is a picture to help confirm what I said.

 

[kiki]

i think i have the answer to solve all of this

tootall = trevor

there is no other explanation.

Are you sure? :wink:

 

[MK08]

You are simpliy missing the point all together aren't you?

None of the movements are true swiss period!


all of them are hybrid period!

No where in my add does it say swiss, does it?

As stated " ETA Marked ETA Marked 6497-2 with Fully adjustable Dagger Swan Neck
( COT'E DE GENEVE BRIDGES WITH ENGRAVED (NOT STICK ON) MARKINGS) "

it says ETA MARKED since i understand they are all hybrids.

the only true swiss movement is a movement that is made in Switzerland PERIOD!

that is the defintion given by the watch making community swiss made, is made in Switzerland of more the 51% swiss parts, assembled by swiss technicians.

so you arguement of false advertising is null and void since no where in any add do i state swiss, DO I?

I am not missing any point. I have agreed with you on the aftermarket mods. I was simply stating that yours is different and NOT swiss as the ones from Ruby and Trevor in those links are.

You changed your description so that argument is null and void. However, you previously sold it as swiss.

Why am I seen as the bad guy? I am trying to help the community by pointing out these differences and showing that what dealers have claimed in the past to be Swiss, isn't really swiss. I am not slamming ThumbWa personally. I am just pointing out the flaws.

MK08, here is a picture to help confirm what I said.

If that side by side looks like the same movement (different screws, fit and finish ect.) to you so be it. I don't think anyone is going to convince you otherwise. Meanwhile I'll soon be enjoing my 177 from Thumb. :wink:

 

[dawg]

If anyone on this forum or anywhere else thinks they are getting a true swiss made movement out of China then i have some ocean front property to sell in Arizona. Here is a picture of a true swiss made base 6497 if you want a real one get this: BTW, ThumbWA is a respected member and dealer here for a long time. I believe every word he says period.

 

[sead1999]

If anyone on this forum or anywhere else thinks they are getting a true swiss made movement out of China then i have some ocean front property to sell in Arizona. Here is a picture of a true swiss made base 6497 if you want a real one get this: BTW, ThumbWA is a respected member and dealer here for a long time. I believe every word he says period.

this is just too funny, i cant stop laughing
"
If anyone on this forum or anywhere else thinks they are getting a true swiss made movement out of China then i have some ocean front property to sell in Arizona "