Whoa dont get so triggered lol. Is it a crime to have an opinion in 2020? Are you saying that you have no opinions on anything? Also, you totally missed the point of my posts, does anyone actually go back and read the full threads?!?! Rol.exe said the the goal of rep factories is to make watches that are indistinguishable from gen, do you think that is their goal, please respond to the question instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks.
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Review of Upcoming RXF New Submariner 116610 LN and Comparison
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What kind of a question is that? Of course they’re not aiming to make bad watches nothing like the originals. Some people are here to try watches for size before committing to a gen, some people are here to rock a richard mille in their honda civics. The majority of people just like watches and would prefer a large collection of reps and possibly a few special gens for good measure. A submariner is a tool watch, but at the same time you would have to be a tool to smash up your $10k watch while building a shed or whatever.
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Well, first thanks for misrepresenting what I said. Rol.exe claimed the goal is to make reps that are "indistinguishable " from gen. I was responding to that. You are just making up something that no one said and responding to it yourself. Nice job. Also, Kalev made a good point earlier in the thread. Sounds like you missed it so here it is again.
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Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension mate. Now piss off.
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Don't really want to go back and read another topic on another boring submariner release (an argument with which you can entirely disagree of course) to see who started the flame wars, but if you guys can't agree on a point or disagree on it without resorting to insults I don't see the point of talking to each other here, just ignore yourselves
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Sorry everyone, my comment was just some Kiwi humour and not meant to be taken seriously. It certainly wasn't meant to cause any animosity as I am new here and really like being a part of this community.
When I stated that the goal was to get to a point where they are indistinguishable, that may have been an oversimplification but I stand by it. I think manufacturers and us are looking to get things as close to gens as possible hence my choice of the word indistinguishable over identical.
By exact definitions we can debate forever about whether we are passionate about replicas or whether they are copies or fakes. But we can all agree that they are not genuine items and that a component of the premium price is due to superior workmanship and materials. But just how much is a topic for another thread. We admire and acquire for different reasons but to me, these things ARE art, and skill is required to make/copy them.
It doesn't matter why we are here and what our motivations are other than that we appreciate these reps, enjoy the community of like-minded individuals, deal with each other in good faith and with respect, and are interested in comparing and contrasting these pieces to assist manufacturers in developing something more accurate and work out which model we would prefer to acquire.
Batman Symbol, it's great you have your opinions about things and it is OK for us to differ. As previously mentioned, my message was mostly tongue-in-cheek and I certainly don't expect my RXF to become more valuable because of its flaws. I would like to develop a collection even if you are a one watch person and those are our respective rights. This is not a clap back or attack, but I would appreciate not being used as justification for your messages as it's probably more about the tone, and I'm not responsible for that. But let's move on and discuss what I think is a beautiful replica and focus on the thing we have in common.
I'll keep my posts more factual in the future and I apologise for prompting this exchange.
When I stated that the goal was to get to a point where they are indistinguishable, that may have been an oversimplification but I stand by it. I think manufacturers and us are looking to get things as close to gens as possible hence my choice of the word indistinguishable over identical.
By exact definitions we can debate forever about whether we are passionate about replicas or whether they are copies or fakes. But we can all agree that they are not genuine items and that a component of the premium price is due to superior workmanship and materials. But just how much is a topic for another thread. We admire and acquire for different reasons but to me, these things ARE art, and skill is required to make/copy them.
It doesn't matter why we are here and what our motivations are other than that we appreciate these reps, enjoy the community of like-minded individuals, deal with each other in good faith and with respect, and are interested in comparing and contrasting these pieces to assist manufacturers in developing something more accurate and work out which model we would prefer to acquire.
Batman Symbol, it's great you have your opinions about things and it is OK for us to differ. As previously mentioned, my message was mostly tongue-in-cheek and I certainly don't expect my RXF to become more valuable because of its flaws. I would like to develop a collection even if you are a one watch person and those are our respective rights. This is not a clap back or attack, but I would appreciate not being used as justification for your messages as it's probably more about the tone, and I'm not responsible for that. But let's move on and discuss what I think is a beautiful replica and focus on the thing we have in common.
I'll keep my posts more factual in the future and I apologise for prompting this exchange.
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Rol.exe
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Do we ever talk about time-keeping accuracies in these threads? I saw someone else's RXF QC pics and their piece was rated as -2s whereas mine is 10s. I'm OK with 10 and understand that even within a model we will see a range of accuracy, but generally speaking, does anyone have any info comparing time-keeping or do we talk about that in a separate movement thread?
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Rol.exe
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Thanks KJ2020, that allows me to understand the readings and acceptable tolerances a lot more. I'm going to use that right now! Is there any kind of general view around which factory has an overall average that keeps time better such as ZZF etc based on QC or other measurements? I'm wondering how the RXF would stack up in that regard.
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A genuine ETA 2824 is +/- 15 s/d. This is an acceptable window of accuracy for a rep in my opinion.
Genuine and Chinese movements can be adjusted afterwards to within chronometer accuracy - +/- 4 s/d across 4 positions but thats an unreasonable expectation for an off the shelf watch. A genuine ETA would hold that accuracy longer than a Chinese one.
It may be that the watch you reference was -2 s/d but thats face up, still and on a time grapher at a single moment in time. What you don’t know is how accurate it is in use - where the orientation is always changing.
Accuracy while wearing the watch of +/- 2 s/d would be Superlative Chronometer accurate- ie, genuine Rolex - an unrealistic expectation for a Chinese fake.
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Keep in mind regulating is a 5 min job and if you have a watch like your RFX with ETA clone any watch smith can do it so the QC beat rate is not that important. I have had several of my reps with ETA clones regulated to around 4 sec / day. Costs something like 5 EUR.
The timegrapher from QC may or may not be valid when you receive the watch. One of my ZZFs (2836) was 0 sec on QC and arrived with +120 sec and I had it regulated to +4 sec. Actually not sure it arrived with +120 sec or started running that fast some time after receiving it.
Rol.exe
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You guys have an amazing wealth of knowledge. Thanks for taking the time reply, I really appreciate learning from you.
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Rol.exe
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I've only got other QC pics to share at this stage. If there is anything in particular you'd like to see, I can post a pic. My RXF is on its way and as soon as we get them in hand, I'm sure we will get some better shots. I have my light box set up, camera batteries charged, and macro lens on standby and will share more pics then. Let me know any details you'd like to examine.
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You can look at other watch reviews for picture ideas. New pics are always welcome, thanks for the contribution.
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Besides the typical watch photos I like to see how stiff the bracelet is. Wristshots or short video taken in the sunlight, too.
What Camera, Macrolens are you using? A photo of your setup?
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What Camera, Macrolens are you using? A photo of your setup?
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Received tracking from Eric. Usually 10-15 days after first tracking notification until it's on hand. Can't wait to put up a review.
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