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Review: Breguet Classique Auto 5177 from MKS V3 (2023)

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Hello everyone ! Today I will bring you my review of the newly upgraded Breguet Classique 5177 from the MKS factory that I have recently received. After being raided in early 2021 and subsequently forced to close its factory for a few months afterwards, MKS is back with a few IWC and Breguet replicas.

When it comes to the Breguet Classique 5177 white enamel dial, the two top factories in the game for the best replicas are FKF and MKS. Both of them offers great details even though finish can vary from one factory to another. Let’s also mention the new LTF factory which offers in my opinion the least appealing finish for the white dial with many visible flaws. I would like to point out that there are very few QC pictures publicly available for the LTF factory, so I can only judge from the pictures I see on TD's websites.

The reason I decided to choose MKS over FKF is because of the gen-like thickness the MKS version offers. I was also very curious to discover the changes between V2 and the new V3. Photos are mine, so please be indulgent :)

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Dimensions:

In terms of size, the MKS replica is consistent with the original. The thickness of 8.8mm is probably what makes it the most desirable compared to the FKF V3 model and its 9.3mm, although the 0.5mm difference is negligible. The watch case has a diameter of 38mm, just like the genuine.​

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Dial:

The dial looks very similar from the gen and is made with real white enamel (not painted) and the hands of burnt blue steel. The dial has a very bright porcelain-like effect which makes the watch really appealing. The brightness, hardness and texture of the enamel has been improved compared to V2.

3wUSNo.jpg


It should be mentioned that the laser carved anti-counterfeiting logo under the axis and above the 6 is also quite perfectly represented by MKS.

3wUx1P.jpg


One of the complaints that was made with the MKS model was that the Breguet logo and numerals seemed bolder in comparison to the original. This is partly true, although after extensive research, it appears that some original models from early 2010 have this more or less pronounced feature. The pad/tampon printing process on the gens makes each dial unique, hence the differences in thickness from one series to another over the years.
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The Arabic numerals are not applied pieces and are printed. The printing is thick enough to be almost three-dimensional and reflective even without a loupe to hand. In contrast, the minutes track on the edge of the dial appears to be more finely printed - the type of printing one would expect normally.
3wUJMW.jpg

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The corners of the date window frame seem a bit sharp when zoomed in compared to gen, but conversely, I find the FKF factory ones a little too smooth. What do you think ?

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Movement:

The movement inside this watch is a Japanese MIYOTA 9015 automatic movement at 28800vph modified to look like the original Cal.777Q. Just like all the Miyota 9015, it is a pretty robust movement that keeps good time. It should be noted that the rotor is particularly noisy on this one. The movement has also been re-engraved compared to V2, but a defect is to be deplored in the engraving of the number of jewels.
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Visually, I must say that I am rather disappointed with the lack of attention to detail that MKS has shown regarding the decoration of the movement. The FKF version is vastly superior in every way.

I have checked on the official Breguet website and looked at a photo of the back of the watch (photo shown below). I was surprised to discover that there was a mistake. It reads “Twenty-eight (28) jewels” instead of “Twenty-six (26) jewels”. The very same error has been reproduced by MKS. I came to the conclusion that they used photos as guidance to reproduce this model of watch and not a genuine watch like many other factories.

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Caution, a second thing to note is that the steel model from MKS has a yellow gold colored rotor. This is incorrect because the genuine steel model has a silver colored steel rotor. So be vigilant when you want to order the steel model. I advise you in this case to choose the FKF factory.
Strap & Buckle:

Nothing special to say about the buckle. This one seems rather robust and conforms to the original at first sight. Let’s see with time… Like all replicas, the leather strap is of poor quality. The leather is rather rigid and gives an unpleasant plastic effect. I therefore advise you to buy a good quality aftermarket leather strap that will give you optimal wearing comfort.

3wWHNv.jpg

Pros & Cons:

Pros:

-Thickness and diameter of the case conform to gen.
-Real enamel with bright white porcelain-like shiny finish.
- Nice rendering of the yellow gold case.

Cons:

- The dial font logo is still a bit too thick !
- Poorly decorated movement with the "28 jewels" typo.
- Noisy rotor.
- Bad leather strap quality.​
 

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Thanks for the great review. This Breguet always intrigues me but I have never owned one, rep or gen.

Abeit 0.5mm thicker, is the FKF 5177 is a better rep ? Anyway, I don't seems to find any TD that stocks this FKF v3, maybe it is no longer being produced ?
 
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As a Breguet fan, i thank you for the complete and exhaustive review !

MKS did improve the Rep, altough that '28 jewels' typo is so , so , so wrong....why some Reps are nearly perfect (think of the amazing dial ,or the laser carved anti-counterfeiting logo) and then there is a FLAW so big !
 
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Thanks for the great review. This Breguet always intrigues me but I have never owned one, rep or gen.

Abeit 0.5mm thicker, is the FKF 5177 is a better rep ? Anyway, I don't seems to find any TD that stocks this FKF v3, maybe it is no longer being produced ?
Hello mate, thank you for your message. It is deeply appreciated. To answer your question, take the FKF one if you want the white enamel dial. FKF has better finish and a MUCH better-looking decoration plate. If you look for guilloche model, both MKS and FKF are fine.
 

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Anyway, I don't seems to find any TD that stocks this FKF v3, maybe it is no longer being produced ?
They are still in production ... Check with Sead, ChazingTime or Lucy. It might take time, but they will be able to source it for you.
 

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As a Breguet fan, i thank you for the complete and exhaustive review !

MKS did improve the Rep, altough that '28 jewels' typo is so , so , so wrong....why some Reps are nearly perfect (think of the amazing dial ,or the laser carved anti-counterfeiting logo) and then there is a FLAW so big !
Thank you very much for your kind words mate !

I agree 100% ! It's really a shame for us collectors... This might be done on purpose to release a new batch every now and then. They correct tiny mistakes and make a few improvments, then they advertise it on specialized forums and receive more orders again.
 
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Hello everyone ! Today I will bring you my review of the newly upgraded Breguet Classique 5177 from the MKS factory that I have recently received. After being raided in early 2021 and subsequently forced to close its factory for a few months afterwards, MKS is back with a few IWC and Breguet replicas.

When it comes to the Breguet Classique 5177 white enamel dial, the two top factories in the game for the best replicas are FKF and MKS. Both of them offers great details even though finish can vary from one factory to another. Let’s also mention the new LTF factory which offers in my opinion the least appealing finish for the white dial with many visible flaws. I would like to point out that there are very few QC pictures publicly available for the LTF factory, so I can only judge from the pictures I see on TD's websites.

The reason I decided to choose MKS over FKF is because of the gen-like thickness the MKS version offers. I was also very curious to discover the changes between V2 and the new V3. Photos are mine, so please be indulgent :)

3wUbHJ.jpg


Dimensions:

In terms of size, the MKS replica is consistent with the original. The thickness of 8.8mm is probably what makes it the most desirable compared to the FKF V3 model and its 9.3mm, although the 0.5mm difference is negligible. The watch case has a diameter of 38mm, just like the genuine.​

3wWhK1.jpg

3wW29j.jpg


Dial:

The dial looks very similar from the gen and is made with real white enamel (not painted) and the hands of burnt blue steel. The dial has a very bright porcelain-like effect which makes the watch really appealing. The brightness, hardness and texture of the enamel has been improved compared to V2.

3wUSNo.jpg


It should be mentioned that the laser carved anti-counterfeiting logo under the axis and above the 6 is also quite perfectly represented by MKS.

3wUx1P.jpg


One of the complaints that was made with the MKS model was that the Breguet logo and numerals seemed bolder in comparison to the original. This is partly true, although after extensive research, it appears that some original models from early 2010 have this more or less pronounced feature. The pad/tampon printing process on the gens makes each dial unique, hence the differences in thickness from one series to another over the years.
3wUGtk.jpg

3wUF5D.jpg


3wniUJ.jpg

The Arabic numerals are not applied pieces and are printed. The printing is thick enough to be almost three-dimensional and reflective even without a loupe to hand. In contrast, the minutes track on the edge of the dial appears to be more finely printed - the type of printing one would expect normally.
3wUJMW.jpg

3wUVgS.jpg

The corners of the date window frame seem a bit sharp when zoomed in compared to gen, but conversely, I find the FKF factory ones a little too smooth. What do you think ?

3wUgoQ.jpg


Movement:

The movement inside this watch is a Japanese MIYOTA 9015 automatic movement at 28800vph modified to look like the original Cal.777Q. Just like all the Miyota 9015, it is a pretty robust movement that keeps good time. It should be noted that the rotor is particularly noisy on this one. The movement has also been re-engraved compared to V2, but a defect is to be deplored in the engraving of the number of jewels.
3wWDTL.jpg

3wWZ0R.jpg


Visually, I must say that I am rather disappointed with the lack of attention to detail that MKS has shown regarding the decoration of the movement. The FKF version is vastly superior in every way.

I have checked on the official Breguet website and looked at a photo of the back of the watch (photo shown below). I was surprised to discover that there was a mistake. It reads “Twenty-eight (28) jewels” instead of “Twenty-six (26) jewels”. The very same error has been reproduced by MKS. I came to the conclusion that they used photos as guidance to reproduce this model of watch and not a genuine watch like many other factories.

3wWz58.jpg

3wnYuL.jpg

3wn1ZR.jpg

Caution, a second thing to note is that the steel model from MKS has a yellow gold colored rotor. This is incorrect because the genuine steel model has a silver colored steel rotor. So be vigilant when you want to order the steel model. I advise you in this case to choose the FKF factory.
Strap & Buckle:

Nothing special to say about the buckle. This one seems rather robust and conforms to the original at first sight. Let’s see with time… Like all replicas, the leather strap is of poor quality. The leather is rather rigid and gives an unpleasant plastic effect. I therefore advise you to buy a good quality aftermarket leather strap that will give you optimal wearing comfort.

3wWHNv.jpg

Pros & Cons:

Pros:

-Thickness and diameter of the case conform to gen.
-Real enamel with bright white porcelain-like shiny finish.
- Nice rendering of the yellow gold case.

Cons:

- The dial font logo is still a bit too thick !
- Poorly decorated movement with the "28 jewels" typo.
- Noisy rotor.
- Bad leather strap quality.​
Thanks for the detailed review! Wondering if maybe the "typo" was actually another form of anti-counterfeit mechanism (knowing that factories would likely use their online photos for reps)... Beautiful watch nonetheless
 

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Thanks for the detailed review! Wondering if maybe the "typo" was actually another form of anti-counterfeit mechanism (knowing that factories would likely use their online photos for reps)... Beautiful watch nonetheless
I have checked on the official Breguet website and looked at a photo of the back of the watch (photo shown below). I was surprised to discover that there was a mistake. It reads “Twenty-eight (28) jewels” instead of “Twenty-six (26) jewels”. The very same error has been reproduced by MKS

@ThymePeace : i absolutely agree with you....it seems too BIG of an error to be not intentional.....
 
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@stuxnet Thanks for the awesome review and the photography! It seems like overall it is a great rep if you are not trying to fool a Breguet expert that your piece is the real deal! Perfect piece to experience the feeling of the real one apart from the weight obviously.

Which TD did you procure this one from? Jtime, Intime, or Puretime doesn't seem to have this one.
 
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Thank you very muck @Kurtoseas for your nice comments about my review, it is deeply appreciated.

I have bought it from mrmckhansi, he is my go to seller for my watches as he provides safe delivery from Europe. You can trust him with closed eyes as he is very trustworthy and will do anything to help you find the rep watch you dream for. Of course this service has a price which is higher than regular China TD.

If you want to go with TD's from China, you might want to check with Sead (Supermirrors), Lucy (Truetime) or Chazingtime. All three might be able to source one for you if factories are still manufacturing them as of today.

Hope that helps.

Cheers.
 
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This is helpful! Thanks a lot, I will see if it is still procurable.
 
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@zinduna it looks great, congrats! It would be great if you can share from whom did you buy it and for how much.

Thanks!
 

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Thanks. I bought it from Steve at theonewatches for $368.

Note that a tiny screw beneath the lug must be loosened or removed before removing the lug screw to change straps. This vexed me for a while before I discovered it.

The rotor is noisy but not overly so, and a WG plating would help to make it more gen-like, of course.
 

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Amazing! Thanks for sharing, I just have to decide now if I want the white gold or yellow gold version :D How did you make your decision?
 

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Easy choice for me. Rose gold or yellow gold don't look good with my skin tone so I always go with white gold. A friend of mine has a gen 5177 guilloche dial in RG which is a stunner.
 

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Does yours have a yellow rotor btw? I assume they didn't fix that problem with the white gold version.
 

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Out on business for a few days but I'll check when I'm back.