Review AP RubberClad Bezel Differences into Detail - Noob vs J12

[vipn2u]

Thank you so much for the comparison. Love the new and improved RC version.

Can you tell me where you purchased it? Or recommend me a few good dealers who has this watch in stock.

Thanks

 

[zocker4711]

It was from Ryan (intime) so he is my Man

 

[slaughterer62]

Here are some pictures of the Gen (left) and JF Rep (right) RC bezel. There are some important differences in the machining of the metal part which complicate the implantation of the JF Rep RC bezel into a Franken, but these can be solved. The JF RC bezel is incredibly tough, seats the JF bezel screws well (Noob bezel screws will have to be reshaped to fit into the JF RC bezel, takes a long time, me 4 hours), but the installation of a crystal into the JF RC bezel is more difficult than other bezels (to make the crystal sit perfectly without any distortion of the rubber part). Really, good luck swapping crystals with the JF RC bezel.
Photos:

 

[zocker4711]

Very nice Addon Bro

Too Bad that the Texture of your GEN Bezel is hard worn... So we could make an Compare bzw the Textures...
So the GEN Bezel (Steel) self isn´t rounded as we see... The Edges on JF is Rubber on the GEN the Rubber Texture is there smaller...

And about the Screws Yes the JF Screws have exactley same dimension as the GEN but not in thickness... The JF are thicker, if you put them into the Bezel espacially an GEN Steel Bezel the will look out over the Top...
But these can be Solved also...

The Inner Ring btw GEN and Rep is Different... So if you put an GEN Crystal into the JF you will that the Crystal looks also to far over the Top... So the Dimensions btw GEN Crystal and Rep are totally different...
The GEN Crystal is double so thick as the Rep

So you can´t install an GEN Crystal on the JF Bezel it doesn´t Fit... I have try all ways... No chance...

So the Best thing you can do is, take the Complete JF Bezel incl JF Crystal and put them on your Franken... So you doesn´t need to fumble the Rubber Perfect

If you are lucky and have one of Mikey2008 Crystals around you can Add them Absolut Perfect... Mikey had made an Single AR that looks really close to the GEN and the Edge of the Crystal isn´t so sharp as the JF or Noob...
So if you press is from bottom to the Top with feeling you will have no distortion on the Rubber...

So for the People that think about to grab an GEN Bezel, they must think about the GEN Crystal too!!! It´s Important to have not only the Bezel... You can´t Add the Rep Crystal...
The Screws you can take from JF and shape them a little thinner... But not from TOP !!!

 

[tinitonsi]

Domi installed a gen Xtal on my JF RC bezel without any issues...
Why? Because he's Domi, he's the Master and he knows how to do it.

This is what he did...

https://vimeo.com/129817999

 

[zocker4711]

Yeah right Domi had installed mine Crystal the same way as your... I didn´t want say something about Domi, i like him as Human... He is a nice an smart Guy but Sorry...
With that Crystal Hight i can´t live Personally... The Crystal sit too High... And not only a little too High...

The GEN Crystal on an GEN Bezel looks maximal 0,05mm over the Top... The Saphir Edge looks only an little out of the Bezel... Your looks like an Rolex Sea Dweller

Look at your Video from start or at 0:25 and you will see it soooooo Clearly...

You can´t lower the Crystal on that Bezel... Because the Crystal is double size of an normally Rep Crystal... Your Crystal sits directley on the Tachy Ring... The Bezel give Pressure on the Tachy i am 100% sure...

I have try it... And that not only alone... I have Test it with Domi too... He mean self it is only Possible with an GEN Bezel or you use an Rep Steel Bezel and shape them to the GEN Specs, that will work...


This is how the Crystal Hight looks like after my own Rework... And this is an hundretstel higher then the GEN

 

[slaughterer62]

Here is my installation of a gen crystal with the JF RC bezel. A number of different modifications need to be done in order to get the crystal to sit perfectly flush with the bezel. But it is possible to do that, I am sure. I just did not have the time to do it yet. Not that I have any stake in people using gen crystals on their Frankens, as they are very hard to find anyhow. Now that I have the gen bezel out of my RC, I can explore refinishing options to see if I can restore the rubber coating.

 

[tinitonsi]

Yeah right Domi had installed mine Crystal the same way as your... I didn´t want say something about Domi, i like him as Human... He is a nice an smart Guy but Sorry...
With that Crystal Hight i can´t live Personally... The Crystal sit too High... And not only a little too High...

The GEN Crystal on an GEN Bezel looks maximal 0,05mm over the Top... The Saphir Edge looks only an little out of the Bezel... Your looks like an Rolex Sea Dweller

Look at your Video from start or at 0:25 and you will see it soooooo Clearly...

You can´t lower the Crystal on that Bezel... Because the Crystal is double size of an normally Rep Crystal... Your Crystal sits directley on the Tachy Ring... The Bezel give Pressure on the Tachy i am 100% sure...

I have try it... And that not only alone... I have Test it with Domi too... He mean self it is only Possible with an GEN Bezel or you use an Rep Steel Bezel and shape them to the GEN Specs, that will work...


This is how the Crystal Hight looks like after my own Rework... And this is an hundretstel higher then the GEN

I don't know what you see on my video but my Xtal sits on my RC like this one => http://youtu.be/mhJU8PlTsBM

Anyway, I like it as is. 0,05 or 0,07mm up, honestly I don't care...
Gen Xtal is Gen Xtal

 

[slaughterer62]

Your Crystal sits directley on the Tachy Ring... The Bezel give Pressure on the Tachy i am 100% sure...

The crystal sits on top of the rubber gasket with a gap between it and the tachy. If you want to lower the crystal in line with the bezel, you need to shave the rubber gasket down so that the crystal will eventually sit on the tachy, for better or worse.

 

[tinitonsi]

A closer pic of my RC

 

[OSX]

Here is my installation of a gen crystal with the JF RC bezel. A number of different modifications need to be done in order to get the crystal to sit perfectly flush with the bezel. But it is possible to do that, I am sure. I just did not have the time to do it yet. Not that I have any stake in people using gen crystals on their Frankens, as they are very hard to find anyhow. Now that I have the gen bezel out of my RC, I can explore refinishing options to see if I can restore the rubber coating.

hey J, have you thought of using plastidip to restore the rubber coating??? it might a good solution

 

[slaughterer62]

hey J, have you thought of using plastidip to restore the rubber coating??? it might a good solution

Will look into it. Thanks for the tip.

 

[zocker4711]

I can identify both Watches from an Distance of a few meters as Rep (Franken)
No GEN AP have sit the Crystal soooo high... You can shape the Gasket as Slaughter said, but if you do that the bezel won't Fit right...

The first Prob that you'll have is the different Dimensions of the Crystals the GEN Crystel is larger then the Rep.
So it won't Fit true the JF Bezel... If you push the Crystal to much you will pop up the rubber on the inside ring.
The rubber is very thin on that position, if you push them to much out, it will stay at these Position.

You have also different Crystal Size btw JF and Noob so you can't switch from these to that without to do Moddings.

The Main Prob is that the rep crystal isn't soooo thick and it would hold with an little gasket only at the top of the Bezel.
The GEN Crystal is much thicker (double) if you set the crystal now to the gen Specs Hight on an JF Bezel, the rest of the Crystal sit lower on or in the Bezel. If you know set the Bezel on the Case and Screw them tight with the Bezel Screws, the Crystal will be push out or up over the Bezel GEN Specs that you have set.

The Crystal sits on the Tachy and will be pushed up.

Normally the Modder of the Main Case must shape the Inner Ring where the Tachy sits an little bit more flat.

if you use an Noob Main Case as base you won't have these problems because the Tachy is fixed different as on the JF Case

Slaughter you have both there... GEN Bezel and GEN Crystal try to add the GEN Bezel with added Crystal on your Watch...
If you use an GEN middle rubber Gasket you will get the Bezel with much Pressure on. If you use an Rep Gasket try your luck I have try this with Domi the middle Gasket (GEN) was flat as hell...

 

[Garuda]

Zocker. So to sum up your finding for jf bezel, you suggest jf, noob and Mikey crystal only?
Might now think pick up a used jf rep crystal send to prof coating

 

[slaughterer62]

I can identify both Watches from an Distance of a few meters as Rep (Franken)
No GEN AP have sit the Crystal soooo high... You can shape the Gasket as Slaughter said, but if you do that the bezel won't Fit right...

The first Prob that you'll have is the different Dimensions of the Crystals the GEN Crystel is larger then the Rep.
So it won't Fit true the JF Bezel... If you push the Crystal to much you will pop up the rubber on the inside ring.
The rubber is very thin on that position, if you push them to much out, it will stay at these Position.

You have also different Crystal Size btw JF and Noob so you can't switch from these to that without to do Moddings.

The Main Prob is that the rep crystal isn't soooo thick and it would hold with an little gasket only at the top of the Bezel.
The GEN Crystal is much thicker (double) if you set the crystal now to the gen Specs Hight on an JF Bezel, the rest of the Crystal sit lower on or in the Bezel. If you know set the Bezel on the Case and Screw them tight with the Bezel Screws, the Crystal will be push out or up over the Bezel GEN Specs that you have set.

The Crystal sits on the Tachy and will be pushed up.

Normally the Modder of the Main Case must shape the Inner Ring where the Tachy sits an little bit more flat.

if you use an Noob Main Case as base you won't have these problems because the Tachy is fixed different as on the JF Case

Slaughter you have both there... GEN Bezel and GEN Crystal try to add the GEN Bezel with added Crystal on your Watch...
If you use an GEN middle rubber Gasket you will get the Bezel with much Pressure on. If you use an Rep Gasket try your luck I have try this with Domi the middle Gasket (GEN) was flat as hell...

All of the mentioned problems can be solved by reshaping the (rep) rubber gasket, sitting the tachy a little deeper in the case, and using a ring gasket between the bezel and the gen crystal.

 

[zocker4711]

I know what you mean Slaughter but if you shape the rubber the Tachy will sit directley on the Dial... And these Work also only on Noob Cases... The JF Main Case is different... The JF Case have same specs as GEN but the Case isn't 1:1 a GEN Case... The Idea of JF was or is really good... But your Rubber shaping won't work on an JF Case... Because JF Made the Ring for the Tachy so that the Tachy lay down on the Main Case and not on the Dial. You can also the Movement not push true the whole Case... On the Noob Case you can push the Movement true the Case... Try it

 

[zocker4711]

Zocker. So to sum up your finding for jf bezel, you suggest jf, noob and Mikey crystal only?
Might now think pick up a used jf rep crystal send to prof coating

So the easiest way and cheapest way also will be add an JF Crystal or Mikey's the Noob crystal has an larger dimension...
I would use an JF Crystal on the JF Bezel... Let them AR single side and you are close to the GEN...

The GEN is larger too but these millimeters will no one see...

but an Crystal that sits like an Rolex SD Crystal you will see...

 

[guru]

A closer pic of my RC

This is much more gen then having the crystal flat with the bezel.


sent from my iPad Air

 

[tinitonsi]

This is much more gen then having the crystal flat with the bezel.


sent from my iPad Air

Yes indeed... Sometimes I'm asking how many of us really see or handle a Gen only 1 time??? Lol

 

[jpohl402]

Zocker. So to sum up your finding for jf bezel, you suggest jf, noob and Mikey crystal only?
Might now think pick up a used jf rep crystal send to prof coating

Is this where you got your username, just wondering?
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