Questions on potential Noob PAM005 V4 - ***[QC pics allowed}***

[hublotkingpower]

DUE TO THE GREAT INTEREST OF THIS REP

WE WILL ACCEPT QC PICS OF PAM 005 (new versions) IN THIS THREAD

ALE


Hi guys,

I am thinking of purchasing a Noob PAM005 V4 since it has recently been released to change up with my 000.

I was wondering if anyone that recently bought this PAM005 V4 version could please comment on the differences other than the case shape (which is now identical to the one used in the 390) and whether the dial has been updated or not (recessed lume and smoothness of the lume application)?

Greatly appreciated, thanks

 

[NCchef]

Where did you see a v4 noob 005 released?

 

[tom_cat]

Questions on potential Noob PAM005 V4

Where did you see a v4 noob 005 released?

Yup I second that and would love to know where too as I hate this fat crown on current Noob v2.5


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[hublotkingpower]

Where did you see a v4 noob 005 released?

Toro's website

http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=005&product_id=511


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[kampachi]

Edit*

Looks like v4 with nice case and crown but still with incorrect lever. Not sure if dial has the 'recessed' appearance. Is the no. 6 font correct? Looks okay to me. Anyway rep makers will have a hard time repping recessed lume since they use a different process. Only lume that is close is on the 390 as the gen is not really recessed. Gen 005's that i have seen has a really pronounced recessed look with smooth edges surrounding the numbers.

 

[hublotkingpower]

Edit*

Looks like v4 with nice case and crown but still with incorrect lever. Not sure if dial has the 'recessed' appearance. Is the no. 6 font correct? Looks okay to me. Anyway rep makers will have a hard time repping recessed lume since they use a different process. Only lume that is close is on the 390 as the gen is not really recessed. Gen 005's that i have seen has a really pronounced recessed look with smooth edges surrounding the numbers.

Thanks for your reply. I think as long as it is flat and not sausage like it should be fine (just like my 000). I'm tempted to order the H-fact (been reading that lume application has improved) but I'm unsure of the newer H casesets due to the thicker and flatter bezel :/


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[ALE7575]

I'm not sure about Noob new sausage dials are worse than new H maker. I have seen very nice pics of new Noob sausage dials.
We would need much more info to make a decision
Regarding the cases I have to repeat the same as always lastly
We are in a transition time from "old" Luminor Bettarine 44mm casesets to "new" ones, all makers (Noob, H maker, KW) are mixing old and new parts in the current productions, and the quality is inconsistent.
IMO the best option at this moment would be a completely NEW Noob V4 caseset. This last caseset the only remaining flaw would be the shape of the CG lever. When Noob introduces all the V4 improvements and gets a correct CG lever shape, Noob V4 caseset will be unbeatable.
We would need to wait....
ALE

 

[NCchef]

The new H factory dial is the closest to gen in looks and overall finish but still lacks the flush filled cavity Lume that the gen has. It's also made using 2 pieces. It's essentially a sandwich design that the Lume is filled into the cutout indices. The gen also has this design but the gen is one solid plate of brass not two pieces. The noob is one solid piece but suffers from the puffy raised Lume application.

With gen dial prices closing in on $800 now as supplies have almost dried up, the H gives you the look you want. The best combo 005 would be a v4 case, h factory crystal, h factory Cg, noob back, h factory dial and hands. Throw on a gen SS crown and you have an unbeatable 005.

 

[ALE7575]

I'm studying PAM reps, gens, samples of dials, hands, movements every day many hours.
I'm amazed how some people are able to arrive at dogmatic and solid conclusions that I cannot get.

Please read some posts about new cases and sausage dials and you will understand what I'm talking about.
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=250564&p=2652331#post2652331 by ewing
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...ics-allowed?p=2196142&viewfull=1#post-2196142 by ewing
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...ics-allowed?p=2200840&viewfull=1#post-2200840 by ewing
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...ics-allowed?p=2199161&viewfull=1#post-2199161 by mikewatch
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...ics-allowed?p=2201252&viewfull=1#post-2201252 by mikewatch
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...ics-allowed?p=2201094&viewfull=1#post-2201094 by ALE
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/244899-PAM-005-N-Noob by Smoki999
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=250564&p=2652331&viewfull=1#post2652331 by kampachi

And see this comparison pic of gen sausage and New Noob from the member ewing:

Of course rep sausage lume structure in reps either Noob or H maker is completely different from gen structure, but the appearance is similar as you can see in above pic

After some studies and comparisons and getting opinions from some expert members we have concluded that rep sausage lume structure is more or less as below showed in comparison with the gen structure. And this is the same for H maker or Noob current dials (even KW had similar structure from the beginning)

ALE

 

[kampachi]

I'm studying PAM reps, gens, samples of dials, hands, movements every day many hours.
I'm amazed how some people are able to arrive at dogmatic and solid conclusions that I cannot get.

Please read some posts about new cases and sausage dials and you will understand what I'm talking about.
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=250564&p=2652331#post2652331 by ewing
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...ics-allowed?p=2196142&viewfull=1#post-2196142 by ewing
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...ics-allowed?p=2200840&viewfull=1#post-2200840 by ewing
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...ics-allowed?p=2199161&viewfull=1#post-2199161 by mikewatch
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...ics-allowed?p=2201252&viewfull=1#post-2201252 by mikewatch
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...ics-allowed?p=2201094&viewfull=1#post-2201094 by ALE
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/244899-PAM-005-N-Noob by Smoki999
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=250564&p=2652331&viewfull=1#post2652331 by kampachi

And see this comparison pic of gen sausage and New Noob from the member ewing:

Of course rep sausage lume structure in reps either Noob or H maker is completely different from gen structure, but the appearance is similar as you can see in above pic

After some studies and comparisons and getting opinions from some expert members we have concluded that rep sausage lume structure is more or less as below showed in comparison with the gen structure. And this is the same for H maker or Noob current dials (even KW had similar structure from the beginning)

ALE

Well said. Once under the sunlight, the gen dial texture dominates the rep. It's just too smooth and flat, something we don't see in reps despite copying the recessed look.

 

[hublotkingpower]

Thank you NCChef, Kampachi and ALE for your informative responses. I think I will be ordering a Noob 005 just because IMO Noob has a better reputation and seeing all the threads and pics (as linked in ALE's response). Then if the Noob 005 dial isn't up to my expectation I'll order and H fact 005, mix the parts with the V4 case (as suggested my NCChef) then I should get an unbeatable 005.

I'll post pictures here once I have ordered and received the watch (probably after summer holidays). Thanks again for the excellent help!

 

[kampachi]

I guess that's the best option at the moment. However, do note that the H-Factory crownguard has a bad/different finishing compared to Noob or gen's finishing. Moreover, it does not fit 100% onto a noob case, thus some shaving might be needed.

 

[ALE7575]

Thank you NCChef, Kampachi and ALE for your informative responses. I think I will be ordering a Noob 005 just because IMO Noob has a better reputation and seeing all the threads and pics (as linked in ALE's response). Then if the Noob 005 dial isn't up to my expectation I'll order and H fact 005, mix the parts with the V4 case (as suggested my NCChef) then I should get an unbeatable 005.

I'll post pictures here once I have ordered and received the watch (probably after summer holidays). Thanks again for the excellent help!

Be careful

At ths moment, it is not assured that you will receive a complete Noob V4 caseset and a "new" Noob dial

The same with H maker

ALE

 

[tom_cat]

have anyone got hands on one of these updated 005 yet? so far from Toro site it only stated that it is with an upgrade movement?? really wanted to see if they also changed their casing to V4 and slim crown

 

[mocca]

have anyone got hands on one of these updated 005 yet? so far from Toro site it only stated that it is with an upgrade movement?? really wanted to see if they also changed their casing to V4 and slim crown

Hi, I'm no expert. PAM 005 V4 I purchased from Toro.
Let the expert take a look below.

 

[kampachi]

Looks like still having the fat crown. Just got my v4 case (111) today. Im thinking that now noob uses the same case as hfac but they use a different finishing. However, certain parts like the inner lugs still have machining lines which is one of noobs' bad points.


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[ALE7575]

Looks like still having the fat crown. Just got my v4 case (111) today. Im thinking that now noob uses the same case as hfac but they use a different finishing. However, certain parts like the inner lugs still have machining lines which is one of noobs' bad points.


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Yes crown seems FAT

The theory about the case seems possible. The same case different finishing process. Good idea kamp!

At the beginning of 2015 I thought the cases were the same (I wrote a post about this matter), after that we saw some differences in the cases. Now your idea seems much more possible.

ALE

 

[tom_cat]

Hi, I'm no expert. PAM 005 V4 I purchased from Toro.
Let the expert take a look below.

Thanks for the pic mocca
I dont know why theyre still using this ugly fat crown, where they already started using slim on 390 and same V4 case as 390 URGH

 

[NCchef]

Using up old stock. These makers don't give a shit about the details

also H maker case is not made like gen and the bezel is two pieces. The noob case uses a solid bore mid case and bezel that presses on a lip made out of the case. The H case has in inner ring with gasket that presses into a milled out mid case then the bezel presses onto the midring. But the H case has better overall finish. Though the H bezel shape is too slanted.

Looks like this v4 isn't anything different. The Cg lever shape is still wrong. H factory has it right.

 

[tom_cat]

Using up old stock. These makers don't give a shit about the details

also H maker case is not made like gen and the bezel is two pieces. The noob case uses a solid bore mid case and bezel that presses on a lip made out of the case. The H case has in inner ring with gasket that presses into a milled out mid case then the bezel presses onto the midring. But the H case has better overall finish. Though the H bezel shape is too slanted.

Looks like this v4 isn't anything different. The Cg lever shape is still wrong. H factory has it right.

Thanks for chipping in your suggestion Chef cheers