A "non-lousy behaviour TD" don't take money for reps? First time I heard of it. Karens really have some special skills.
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Poor experience with Hontwatch
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I understand it is a bit difficult for a noob like you. Don't worry, that's not the point. I just want to keep this thing alive so that people from different time zones can join the conversation. Got any idea what "time zone" is?
This is your profile in RWI, people in M2M, TDs will look at it when they decide to trade with you in the future or not. I just want to make sure they have sufficient info about you, Karen. If you can have a future here.
Since it is still early, so I won't bother to bring out the lettuce ATM.
Glad to see members more seasoned than myself know how to contribute to threads such as this one in such a constructive manner. You're doing such a great job capturing the ethos of what a community like this can be.
The trolls have derailed what really should have been a single-post, informational thread, so I won't be replying further. But have fun keeping it alive @MaximillianGT. Don't go too hard with the lettuce.
It is still informational, we have a male Karen, like a drag queen. I'm sure all the TDs will love you and can't wait to serve you.
I had the same issue , the watch he send is not from the clean factory it's just the stickers on it
Today's high end replicas, especially Rolex, have gotten so darn near perfect that *some* potential new customers won't accept that their $500 replica has a miniscule alignment issue that the $15,000 original doesn't have.
If those guys knew what Rolex replicas looked like 10 years ago . . .
If those guys knew what Rolex replicas looked like 10 years ago . . .
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You have full Staff permission to post the QC pictures. I’d like to see the issue.
What? That was quite an accusation to make against one of the TDs here…
What @Hesekiel said Hits the point.
When I bought the first reps in asia 20 years ago, you could see that it's a rep from far away. I just bought it for fun, showing it to friends as a rep.
Today these reps are next to perfect what makes people think they buy the "real thing" . So it often seems to be no longer a hobby but something to raise their social status.
When I bought the first reps in asia 20 years ago, you could see that it's a rep from far away. I just bought it for fun, showing it to friends as a rep.
Today these reps are next to perfect what makes people think they buy the "real thing" . So it often seems to be no longer a hobby but something to raise their social status.
What is this shit show here, OP? Didn’t even share what the issue was with the watch. Was it so minor that you’d be embarrassed to share here or what?
How can you tell such a story here, blaming a reputable TD, without even mentioned what the issue was?
And yes, in this case you can share the QC pics. What you are referring to in one of the previous posts apply to posting QC before approval/refusal and asking the general question „how’s the watch?“ Read again the rules.
Regarding refund: You know that the refund does not come from the TD himself but from a third party service provider. A Chinese one. It can take time. This is normal.
Read and understand how this whole rep business works.
How can you tell such a story here, blaming a reputable TD, without even mentioned what the issue was?
And yes, in this case you can share the QC pics. What you are referring to in one of the previous posts apply to posting QC before approval/refusal and asking the general question „how’s the watch?“ Read again the rules.
Regarding refund: You know that the refund does not come from the TD himself but from a third party service provider. A Chinese one. It can take time. This is normal.
Read and understand how this whole rep business works.
Man, y'all are really reading into my initial post.
I complimented their pricing and quick QC turnaround. I RL'd what I was sent (not a crime). TD was kinda rude, in my opinion. I accepted the offer of a refund. The refund took 26 days (which is simply stating a fact). That's it - literally a summary of a less than positive exchange. Take it for what it's worth.
The intent of the QC FAQ I cited (as I understand it) is to make clear that QC is subjective. If that's the case, how is my rationale for RL in any way relevant? Would someone else's opinion on what's a "valid RL" somehow change anything I said in my initial post? Would it somehow justify what I consider to be rude behavior from the TD? There is nothing to resolve here.
If none of what I said is a problem for you, use this TD. If any of it is a problem for you, don't. That's how reviews work.
And if receipts are required in order to post a negative review, I will happily PM the mods.
The problem here is that the threshold for giving RL is getting lower and lower. People are doing less and less research and setting unrealistic expectations for what they are about to buy.
People give RL for the smallest details and don’t understand that this only contributes to making this hobby more and more expensive. It is a vicious cycle that doesn’t seem to end anytime soon…
And when you don’t show what or why you gave RL, you have to expect people to ask questions.
Please cut OP some slack, he posted a level-headed review and was not inflammatory. We, also those who didn't deal with him but read other reviews, know how Hont can be sometimes and I can understand how for a newbie a certain treatment can be disappointing.
To the OP, it's your prerogative to RL a watch but you also have to understand that TDs are not amazon, they're sometimes one-man outfits with several hundreds of orders per week to process, they have to deal with making business outside of the law's boundaries, they do not like losing time. Some of them can be rough, but that is just noise. They also have a prerogative to choose their buyers, in this case Hont decided that the benefit of processing your order was surpassed by the nuisance. How he expressed this is, again, just background noise, a rep-game player should know how to handle this.
The level of the background noise was probably proportional to the reasons for RL...?
To the OP, it's your prerogative to RL a watch but you also have to understand that TDs are not amazon, they're sometimes one-man outfits with several hundreds of orders per week to process, they have to deal with making business outside of the law's boundaries, they do not like losing time. Some of them can be rough, but that is just noise. They also have a prerogative to choose their buyers, in this case Hont decided that the benefit of processing your order was surpassed by the nuisance. How he expressed this is, again, just background noise, a rep-game player should know how to handle this.
The level of the background noise was probably proportional to the reasons for RL...?
I agree fully with @Feefo on this
OP basically said:
-I had an experience not matching my expectations
-TD declined to pursue the sale
-I got a refund
-Hont did not communicate frequently during the process
His review was mostly factual (except for one point, see below) and did not go too much into the usual TD bashing
That said, @shadows
We are similarly entitled to challenge you on your expectations vs the QC as you are implying that Hont was trying to shove you with a sub-par watch.
The guy has a decades long reputation and hundreds of happy repeat customers, whereas you are a newly arrived unknown quantity
OP basically said:
-I had an experience not matching my expectations
-TD declined to pursue the sale
-I got a refund
-Hont did not communicate frequently during the process
His review was mostly factual (except for one point, see below) and did not go too much into the usual TD bashing
That said, @shadows
We are similarly entitled to challenge you on your expectations vs the QC as you are implying that Hont was trying to shove you with a sub-par watch.
The guy has a decades long reputation and hundreds of happy repeat customers, whereas you are a newly arrived unknown quantity
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I'm a long time Hont customer and this is basically the price you pay for cheaper watches. If you know how to handle him you won't have issues.
I've RL'd in the past as well and if it's a legitimate issue, you're clear and concise about it and you don't blow up his Whatsapp with questions and walls of text, everything works out smoothly.
I don't see any wrongdoing by Hont here but I can also see how he can be off-putting to new buyers.
I've RL'd in the past as well and if it's a legitimate issue, you're clear and concise about it and you don't blow up his Whatsapp with questions and walls of text, everything works out smoothly.
I don't see any wrongdoing by Hont here but I can also see how he can be off-putting to new buyers.
Thanks @Feefo. My sole intent is to inform prospective (potentially newbie) buyers how things may go with a particular TD. I've previously acknowledged a seller's prerogative to conduct business how they want. One person's background noise another person's reason to pick another TD. I don't imagine seasoned rep-game players would even need a review like the OP, so it's a bit puzzling to see some of the comments left on a thread that is presumably of no use to them.
Thanks @Karbon74. Though I will say that I was pretty careful not to imply anything. My issue wasn't with the RL, it was with how the TD chose to handle it. I can't really help if the existence of an RL reads negatively, but I was open about 2 occurring. It is what it is. Posting QC here only serves to fuel the commenters that are predisposed to flaming posts like mine, regardless of my RL being reasonable or not. The commenter that initially asked was pretty transparently hoping for this.