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Thanks Rwolf
Well received
I will make the study as soon as possible
Kuvarsit dial seems really good indeed
ALE
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{*PCTeam*}The PAM 360 dials–Comparison Gen / H maker V1&V1.2 / Noob / DSN / KUVARSIT
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Thanks Rwolf
Well received
I will make the study as soon as possible
Kuvarsit dial seems really good indeed
ALE
Kuvarsic V2 case color and dial seem to be very good. CG are nice also. Maybe this one is the best of them all?
Kuvarsit case is thinner and smaller than other (gen, h-fac and noob)
Perhaps the dial is the best...
Perhaps the dial is the best...
CG is perfect imho: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/pcteam-kuvarsit-360-119090?t=119090
a shot of a gen
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Kuvarsit dial
I have used the pics sent by Rwolf of the PAM 360 Kuvarsit V2.0 and make the comparison with the gen.
This is the best absolute dial for this watch. Concerning dimensions and aligments it is almost perferct.
-This is the only dial having a correct position of "6" and L SWISS MADE L (this inscription is a little long)
-LUMINOR PANERAI is placed a little high, but is poerfectly aligned with stick markers @2 & 10, then the result is really good and we can see it is almost perfect. Fonts and length are accurate ( "R" as always a little narrow, very similar to Noob font)
- "3" is "parallel" with long upper bar, almost perfect font, but a little narrow, noticeable in a side by side comparison. The difference with the narrow Noob "3" is that the Kuvarsit upper bar is long.
- OP Logo with good design and well placed and aligned with stick markers @ 8 & 4.
- As above commented good position of "6" and L SWISS MADE L
Concerning layout, dimensions and fonts the best dial by far
Really a little surprise for me. If the lume application and colour is good is a very good choice for a Super rep.
I will make the complete study as soon as possible.
Thanks Rwolf for the pics
ALE
I have used the pics sent by Rwolf of the PAM 360 Kuvarsit V2.0 and make the comparison with the gen.
This is the best absolute dial for this watch. Concerning dimensions and aligments it is almost perferct.
-This is the only dial having a correct position of "6" and L SWISS MADE L (this inscription is a little long)
-LUMINOR PANERAI is placed a little high, but is poerfectly aligned with stick markers @2 & 10, then the result is really good and we can see it is almost perfect. Fonts and length are accurate ( "R" as always a little narrow, very similar to Noob font)
- "3" is "parallel" with long upper bar, almost perfect font, but a little narrow, noticeable in a side by side comparison. The difference with the narrow Noob "3" is that the Kuvarsit upper bar is long.
- OP Logo with good design and well placed and aligned with stick markers @ 8 & 4.
- As above commented good position of "6" and L SWISS MADE L
Concerning layout, dimensions and fonts the best dial by far
Really a little surprise for me. If the lume application and colour is good is a very good choice for a Super rep.
I will make the complete study as soon as possible.
Thanks Rwolf for the pics
ALE
Ale, I never cease to be amazed at the detail of your posts. Maybe you should be a forensic scientist.
Truly a labour of love, we all thank you.
ps, still working on your Knighthood:
Truly a labour of love, we all thank you.
ps, still working on your Knighthood
:Puretime? Sells the kurvasit? hmm may have to check it out.
I had an older DSN, case shape was funny, many straps would not fit.
let me share something on my side.
I have one 360 mod DSN dial and KVR v2.0 case set.
I try to compare mind align with your style via my iphone but I may wrong comparison because of lens distortion
any advise is welcome
Please see the pic below:
I have one 360 mod DSN dial and KVR v2.0 case set.
I try to compare mind align with your style via my iphone but I may wrong comparison because of lens distortion
any advise is welcome
Please see the pic below:
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Hi tuxedoman
Many thsnks for your cooperation and interesting comparison.
And thanks to share the pics of your DSN dial
Unfortunately there is a problem of scale in your DSN pic. As you can see in the red lines I have added there are some misalignments between the DSN and the gen.
The red arrows are indicating the differences: the edge of the rim bezel are not in the same position and the central axle is not aligned either.
Your DSN pic is a lot BIGGER than gen and therefore the comparison is not valid due to an scale issue.
I repeat, many thanks for your job.
Anyway it is better to keep an uniform criteria in the comparisons and make all the drafts in the same way.
If you like to explain and show your opinions I think is better you start a thread by yourself with your ideas. It will be welcome.
Anyway please feel free to post and show anything you want, the forum is completely free !!
Thanks again
ALE
Many thsnks for your cooperation and interesting comparison.
And thanks to share the pics of your DSN dial
Unfortunately there is a problem of scale in your DSN pic. As you can see in the red lines I have added there are some misalignments between the DSN and the gen.
The red arrows are indicating the differences: the edge of the rim bezel are not in the same position and the central axle is not aligned either.
Your DSN pic is a lot BIGGER than gen and therefore the comparison is not valid due to an scale issue.
I repeat, many thanks for your job.
Anyway it is better to keep an uniform criteria in the comparisons and make all the drafts in the same way.
If you like to explain and show your opinions I think is better you start a thread by yourself with your ideas. It will be welcome.
Anyway please feel free to post and show anything you want, the forum is completely free !!
Thanks again
ALE
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DSN (Davidsen) dial in comparison with gen dial
4- DIAL DSN (Davidsen) vs. GEN
DSN dial was a good dial at past, now since there are no perfect dials of this watch it keep a little of its old prestige. The wrong OP Logo and wrong fonts In LUMINOR PANERAI are unacceptable flaws in a modern PAM replica. But it is interesting to remark that with a correct logo this dial would be more acceptable (less noticeable flaws) IMO than V1, V1.2 and Noob
4.1- General comparison DSN vs. GEN
In above FIGURE you can see the direct comparison of DSN and gen dial. The more noticeable flaws are: very wrong OP Logo and placed high, wrong fonts in LUMINOR PANERAI, “6†and L SWISS MADE L that are closer to the OP Logo, L SWISS MADE L is closer to “6†marker.
Lume thickness and application in DSN dial look very good.
4.2- DSN - Markers “2†& “3â€
As you can see in above FIGURE the markers “2†and “3†are almost the same as gen. There is just a difference in the middle bar of “3†marker because it is thinner in the rep
This dial has too a lume application similar to the gen.
Therefore we have a good font shape accuracy and lume application.
4.3- DSN - Logo OP, “6†marker, L SWISS MADE L Inscription
OP Logo and Sticks @8 & 4 are placed high (almost no noticeable) but they are aligned like gen-
OP Logo shape is completely wrong. See the inner part of “P†and “O†they are longer and narrower. This is for me the main flaw of this dial.
Stick markers @5 & 7 placed high
“6†marker is placed closer to OP Logo and font seems correct
L SWISS MADE L inscription with quite accurate fonts but longer. It is placed much closer to “6†marker(noticeable) and closer to OP Logo and is longer than gen.
4.4- DSN - “12†marker LUMINOR PANERAI Inscription
“12†marker almost perfect but placed a little low
Stick markers @2 & 10 well placed
LUMINOR PANERAI inscription (see below)
4.5- DSN - LUMINOR PANERAI inscription
Fonts: Wrong â€Uâ€, “Oâ€, “P†and mainly “R†narrower and completely off
Length: Shorter due to narrow “R†and smaller fonts
Position: A little low and misaligned with stick markers @ 2 & 10
Distance R_A: “R†is very narrow and therefore clearly bigger distance.
ALE
4- DIAL DSN (Davidsen) vs. GEN
DSN dial was a good dial at past, now since there are no perfect dials of this watch it keep a little of its old prestige. The wrong OP Logo and wrong fonts In LUMINOR PANERAI are unacceptable flaws in a modern PAM replica. But it is interesting to remark that with a correct logo this dial would be more acceptable (less noticeable flaws) IMO than V1, V1.2 and Noob
4.1- General comparison DSN vs. GEN
In above FIGURE you can see the direct comparison of DSN and gen dial. The more noticeable flaws are: very wrong OP Logo and placed high, wrong fonts in LUMINOR PANERAI, “6†and L SWISS MADE L that are closer to the OP Logo, L SWISS MADE L is closer to “6†marker.
Lume thickness and application in DSN dial look very good.
4.2- DSN - Markers “2†& “3â€
As you can see in above FIGURE the markers “2†and “3†are almost the same as gen. There is just a difference in the middle bar of “3†marker because it is thinner in the rep
This dial has too a lume application similar to the gen.
Therefore we have a good font shape accuracy and lume application.
4.3- DSN - Logo OP, “6†marker, L SWISS MADE L Inscription
OP Logo and Sticks @8 & 4 are placed high (almost no noticeable) but they are aligned like gen-
OP Logo shape is completely wrong. See the inner part of “P†and “O†they are longer and narrower. This is for me the main flaw of this dial.
Stick markers @5 & 7 placed high
“6†marker is placed closer to OP Logo and font seems correct
L SWISS MADE L inscription with quite accurate fonts but longer. It is placed much closer to “6†marker(noticeable) and closer to OP Logo and is longer than gen.
4.4- DSN - “12†marker LUMINOR PANERAI Inscription
“12†marker almost perfect but placed a little low
Stick markers @2 & 10 well placed
LUMINOR PANERAI inscription (see below)
4.5- DSN - LUMINOR PANERAI inscription
Fonts: Wrong â€Uâ€, “Oâ€, “P†and mainly “R†narrower and completely off
Length: Shorter due to narrow “R†and smaller fonts
Position: A little low and misaligned with stick markers @ 2 & 10
Distance R_A: “R†is very narrow and therefore clearly bigger distance.
ALE
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KUVARSIT V2 Dial in comparison with gen dial
5- DIAL KUVARSIT V2 vs. GEN
This KUVARSIT dial is the great surprise of this study. I know that some PCTeam members like Klockis and Rwolf have always well informed about this replica but I didin’t think that its dial was so good.
At this moment the dimensions and fonts of this dial are almost perfect. If we had a good case with a correct DLC colour we could build a Super replica of this watch.
5.1- General comparison KUVARSIT vs. GEN
In above FIGURE you can see the direct comparison of KUVARSIT and gen dial. It really has no noticeable flaws.
This position of “6†marker and L SWISS MADE L inscription are good opposite to others studied reps.
Lume thickness and application in KUVARSIT dial look very good.
This is the better of fivestudied dials by far
5.2- KUVARSIT - Markers “2†& “3â€
As you can see in above FIGURE the markers “2†and “3†are almost the same as gen.
This dial has too a lume application very similar to the gen.
Therefore we have a good font shape accuracy, lume application and thickness.
5.3- KUVARSIT - Logo OP, “6†marker, L SWISS MADE L Inscription
OP Logo and Sticks @8 & 4 are well placed and aligned.
OP Logo shape is correct
Stick markers @5 & 7 well placed
“6†marker is well placed and font seems very correct
L SWISS MADE L inscription with quite accurate fonts, well placed but is a bit (no noticeable) longer than gen.
5.4- KUVARSIT - “12†marker LUMINOR PANERAI Inscription
“12†marker almost perfect with a very correct “2â€. It is placed a bit high (no noticeable)
Stick markers @2 & 10 are placed a little higher and a bit over the PANERAI position (no noticeable).
LUMINOR PANERAI inscription (see below)
5.5- KUVARSIT - LUMINOR PANERAI inscription
Fonts: They are very accurate. Only the “R†seems a little wrong. Very similar to the Noob but with worse “Râ€.
Length: Perfect
Position: It is a little high but has a good alignment with stick markers @2 & 10, which makes the higher position no noticeable.
Distance R_AI: “R†is a little narrow and then this distance is a little big but better than in H maker V1 and very similar to Noob dial.
ALE
5- DIAL KUVARSIT V2 vs. GEN
This KUVARSIT dial is the great surprise of this study. I know that some PCTeam members like Klockis and Rwolf have always well informed about this replica but I didin’t think that its dial was so good.
At this moment the dimensions and fonts of this dial are almost perfect. If we had a good case with a correct DLC colour we could build a Super replica of this watch.
5.1- General comparison KUVARSIT vs. GEN
In above FIGURE you can see the direct comparison of KUVARSIT and gen dial. It really has no noticeable flaws.
This position of “6†marker and L SWISS MADE L inscription are good opposite to others studied reps.
Lume thickness and application in KUVARSIT dial look very good.
This is the better of fivestudied dials by far
5.2- KUVARSIT - Markers “2†& “3â€
As you can see in above FIGURE the markers “2†and “3†are almost the same as gen.
This dial has too a lume application very similar to the gen.
Therefore we have a good font shape accuracy, lume application and thickness.
5.3- KUVARSIT - Logo OP, “6†marker, L SWISS MADE L Inscription
OP Logo and Sticks @8 & 4 are well placed and aligned.
OP Logo shape is correct
Stick markers @5 & 7 well placed
“6†marker is well placed and font seems very correct
L SWISS MADE L inscription with quite accurate fonts, well placed but is a bit (no noticeable) longer than gen.
5.4- KUVARSIT - “12†marker LUMINOR PANERAI Inscription
“12†marker almost perfect with a very correct “2â€. It is placed a bit high (no noticeable)
Stick markers @2 & 10 are placed a little higher and a bit over the PANERAI position (no noticeable).
LUMINOR PANERAI inscription (see below)
5.5- KUVARSIT - LUMINOR PANERAI inscription
Fonts: They are very accurate. Only the “R†seems a little wrong. Very similar to the Noob but with worse “Râ€.
Length: Perfect
Position: It is a little high but has a good alignment with stick markers @2 & 10, which makes the higher position no noticeable.
Distance R_AI: “R†is a little narrow and then this distance is a little big but better than in H maker V1 and very similar to Noob dial.
ALE
Case color of the Kuvarsic v2 looks lighter than the noob but still darker than the gen. If someone has this watch please post pictures. Does anyone know how its quality stacks up to the noob and H factory versions?