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{*PCTeam*} Quick&Dirty KW PAM 127 comments
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I have no skin in the game as i am in Conus - But if this is a PAM get together, gotta go with Italy!
One more question for owners (Sort of a mute point for me because I already ordered the KW) ... but the engravings on the CG (REG and T.M.). Nice and deep? It's been hard to tell from the pics. I have to agree with the previous posts. From what I can see this looks like a bona fide super rep (or at a minimum First class High level).
A few quick considerations from me:
- Minute hand: Noob looks to have a slightly longer tip, more like the gen
- Crown guard: Both look very good, noob has slightly better inner cutouts. Lever and lever tip look to be the same, CG pin is slightly better in KW due to the visible light chamfering.
- Cannon pinion: Someone said it's larger than gen, but I do really like KW CP, it's the best of the three version imho. Noob is sunken and not well polished nor as flat as KW. Most likely noob mounts an H2 cannon pinion, you can see KW minute hand sits much taller than the hour hand while noob hands are almost touching themselves.
- Dial: I would say both versions are on par, very nice matte black color and sharp cuts. Noob inscriptions are slightly fatter. I won't comment on colors.
- Crystal: KW crystal looks definitely better than my noob.
- Case shape: Here's the main difference imho. From the side view it's quite clear that KW case is flatter while noob's case has a slight curve that blends with the lugs. Bezel and crystal shape look the same to me.
- Case back: KW looks better, especially the small engravings are a lot crisper and defined.
- Movement finish: The starburst finish is very faint on both movements, but it's there. OFFICINE PANERAI engraving color is very similar, but it's impossible for me to have a final opinion due to different camera setups and lights. PANERAI decoration is more crisp in KW, as well as gears finish, micrometric screw and of course the Y incabloc.
- Buckle: Again, KW engravings are finer and more detailed, very very nice. None of the two versions has the correct size and placement of engravings of the gen. Shape is very similar but once again different than gen.
[MENTION=18845]ice_gee[/MENTION]: given your study of KW and ZF versions compared to the gen, would you share your opinions here?
- Minute hand: Noob looks to have a slightly longer tip, more like the gen
- Crown guard: Both look very good, noob has slightly better inner cutouts. Lever and lever tip look to be the same, CG pin is slightly better in KW due to the visible light chamfering.
- Cannon pinion: Someone said it's larger than gen, but I do really like KW CP, it's the best of the three version imho. Noob is sunken and not well polished nor as flat as KW. Most likely noob mounts an H2 cannon pinion, you can see KW minute hand sits much taller than the hour hand while noob hands are almost touching themselves.
- Dial: I would say both versions are on par, very nice matte black color and sharp cuts. Noob inscriptions are slightly fatter. I won't comment on colors.
- Crystal: KW crystal looks definitely better than my noob.
- Case shape: Here's the main difference imho. From the side view it's quite clear that KW case is flatter while noob's case has a slight curve that blends with the lugs. Bezel and crystal shape look the same to me.
- Case back: KW looks better, especially the small engravings are a lot crisper and defined.
- Movement finish: The starburst finish is very faint on both movements, but it's there. OFFICINE PANERAI engraving color is very similar, but it's impossible for me to have a final opinion due to different camera setups and lights. PANERAI decoration is more crisp in KW, as well as gears finish, micrometric screw and of course the Y incabloc.
- Buckle: Again, KW engravings are finer and more detailed, very very nice. None of the two versions has the correct size and placement of engravings of the gen. Shape is very similar but once again different than gen.
[MENTION=18845]ice_gee[/MENTION]: given your study of KW and ZF versions compared to the gen, would you share your opinions here?
Imho KW made a good job!
But there is something wrong on lug shape for me, maybe the bottom line is too straight as well as ZF have it same.
Noob 127 is unbeatable for me... Lucky guys who have one..
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But there is something wrong on lug shape for me, maybe the bottom line is too straight as well as ZF have it same.
Noob 127 is unbeatable for me... Lucky guys who have one..
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Look without both ZF and KW next to each other we are wasting time. They look identical almost and very hard to tell apart. Here are a bunch of pictures of took of my ZF. The only main difference I can see is the things below.
1) Sunburst on movement is more pronounced on ZF
2) Dial printing is more genlike as KW is too thin especially on the "1950"
3) CG pin looks better on my ZF i think.
4) Crystals look the same now even though previously KW had lines in the distortion that breaks the numbers. This is exactly what I mean by someone taking pics doesnt or may not portray the real thing unless its side by side.
5) The rest of the dial/CP/hands and all the other stuff looks identical.
Here is a shitload of shots of my ZF.
Should have cleaned the watch a bit before taking those photos. LOL
1) Sunburst on movement is more pronounced on ZF
2) Dial printing is more genlike as KW is too thin especially on the "1950"
3) CG pin looks better on my ZF i think.
4) Crystals look the same now even though previously KW had lines in the distortion that breaks the numbers. This is exactly what I mean by someone taking pics doesnt or may not portray the real thing unless its side by side.
5) The rest of the dial/CP/hands and all the other stuff looks identical.
Here is a shitload of shots of my ZF.
Should have cleaned the watch a bit before taking those photos. LOL
Both watches are nice. However I have owned quite a few z factory and KW watches. I am never disappointed with the overall fit and finish (that gen like feel) of the KW watches. So I have learned from experience that IMO when there is a choice between both factories I go with KW.
Is that to imply that you have, in the past, been disappointed with the quality of one or more ZF reps? If so, which reps and did KW have a better version?
He only said he has ZF and KW version watches and he is never disappointed with the fit and finish of the KW watches. He did not state that he had both the ZF and KW of any particular PAM and the ZF version was worse.
Hmm... I didn't know ZF version has dome shaped screws instead of correct flat ones. Would bother me a lot.
Hence why I asked him IF that was the implication before my follow-up question, rather than simply assuming it. But thanks for the interjection anyways ...
Well, compared to gen owners where all of their watches are the same, of course, we're anal. :lol:
