I hope you are right. I ordered the H-fac version because of the silver CP and better looking movement, and now I see these macro dial shots, it looks like the "LP" on the H-fac is not as deep as angus's version...damn it.
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{*PCTeam*} PAM372 From Puretime
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I hope you are right. I ordered the H-fac version because of the silver CP and better looking movement, and now I see these macro dial shots, it looks like the "LP" on the H-fac is not as deep as angus's version...damn it.
That's a trend in the wrong direction. We don't want to be going back to purchasing dials to get the watch right, especially for non pre-V/pre-A models. Unlike the proposition with the 399, wherein if the maker does get it right and use an accurate 6152 case, builders can get a case which before was unavailable (and I am sure they are eagerly awaiting it).
I think the same - probably both reps have LUMINOR PANERAI words etched correct way - the only difference would be the paint. Gen paint apparently has very low viscosity and You can actually use a very fine, thin layer of it. Rep paint has higher viscosity, covers thicker and makes it looking a bit dull. Modding? I am too lazy for that
After "pumping" it using Photoshop, it is clear that engraving is OK - dull look is caused by paint high viscosity.
This one is dope. I realize that the p3k is an in house movement but the plates are so simple they should be able to rep it well. Is there are rumored ETA for the noob?
As far as I know, there aren't.
By the way, cwazy posted his video review of the Angus PAM372 over at the General Discussion.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/panerai-372-arrived-149075
Pretty awesome looking rep. :cheers:
I did indeed! I just did a photoshoot earlier as well, so there are plenty of pics. I also unblue'd the screws on the angus version.
haha you mean taking the screws off and running them a few times across some micron paper? nope.
haha you mean taking the screws off and running them a few times across some micron paper? nope.
LOL Well I was more on watching the how you removed the screws to unblue them. I'm guessing you did not scrub the screw slots?
The comment regarding viscosity etc isnt really the issue in this case...
The problem is and always has been the difference in construction methods and materials...
The PAMs are all brass dials...the reps are aluminium or steel... so trying to recreate the impressions and cutouts is much more difficult to reproduce... gen dials are around 1.1mm thick... reps are basically slivers.
The lettering in nearly all PAM watches is Berlac AG paint... this maker is the only one that makes this 'paint' under trademark and is used by nearly all highend Swiss watch makers...
The cutouts and inscrips are CNC milled using vector graphics and autocad... real high end machinery and operatives..
The brass dials are first grit and glass bead fired...then placed in a galvanic bath (which makes it black)
After this the black dial is coated in Berlac AG Zapon varnish..it is not possible to 'paint' directly onto the galvanic finish... letter printing is then hand mixed and a steel print cliche is used to apply.... this is very expensive so as you can guess the rep method comes no where close... it is painted black then letter paint applied directly onto that... that is why NO rep has manged to reproduce the dial finish of any gen and why when caught in certain lights you can spot a rep on the wrist without seeing its detail...
The lume is another matter but I am sure most of you know the gen details of maker and application which again is never met by any rep maker... on any rep
The dials that you see in H maker and 3 series maker (from Angus) are different and not made by the same sub contarctor to maker... that can easily be seen in the cutout detail and the inscriptions ..they are completely different just look at the shape of letters... H is off more than 3 series maker...
If you are just looking at the depth of the letter print then the 3 maker does have a look of more depth whether its deeper or not is hard to say without having them both in my hand but what is clearly visble is that the 3 Makers lettering creates more inner shadow which is imperative to recreating the gen look... However both lack depth in the sandwich similar to all the other sandwich dial reps...
Though that may be remedied by removing the rep lume and replacing with a correct RCTritec Pantone Radium colour lume.... by using the correct lume you need less so it possible to increase the depth of sandwich between top and base
Its like all the rep LM & L sausage dials...none of them are correct simply because they actually aint sausage in the sense that most here understand... its not simply a lume applied on top of a dial its lume applied into a deep cutout which stands proud or flat (model depending) towards centre of cutout... you can still see the cutouts clearly in the gen and that the sausage isnt or doesnt stand up and over... all rep dials with sausage lume looks like they were applied by a mini cake icing bag
The problem is and always has been the difference in construction methods and materials...
The PAMs are all brass dials...the reps are aluminium or steel... so trying to recreate the impressions and cutouts is much more difficult to reproduce... gen dials are around 1.1mm thick... reps are basically slivers.
The lettering in nearly all PAM watches is Berlac AG paint... this maker is the only one that makes this 'paint' under trademark and is used by nearly all highend Swiss watch makers...
The cutouts and inscrips are CNC milled using vector graphics and autocad... real high end machinery and operatives..
The brass dials are first grit and glass bead fired...then placed in a galvanic bath (which makes it black)
After this the black dial is coated in Berlac AG Zapon varnish..it is not possible to 'paint' directly onto the galvanic finish... letter printing is then hand mixed and a steel print cliche is used to apply.... this is very expensive so as you can guess the rep method comes no where close... it is painted black then letter paint applied directly onto that... that is why NO rep has manged to reproduce the dial finish of any gen and why when caught in certain lights you can spot a rep on the wrist without seeing its detail...
The lume is another matter but I am sure most of you know the gen details of maker and application which again is never met by any rep maker... on any rep
The dials that you see in H maker and 3 series maker (from Angus) are different and not made by the same sub contarctor to maker... that can easily be seen in the cutout detail and the inscriptions ..they are completely different just look at the shape of letters... H is off more than 3 series maker...
If you are just looking at the depth of the letter print then the 3 maker does have a look of more depth whether its deeper or not is hard to say without having them both in my hand but what is clearly visble is that the 3 Makers lettering creates more inner shadow which is imperative to recreating the gen look... However both lack depth in the sandwich similar to all the other sandwich dial reps...
Though that may be remedied by removing the rep lume and replacing with a correct RCTritec Pantone Radium colour lume.... by using the correct lume you need less so it possible to increase the depth of sandwich between top and base
Its like all the rep LM & L sausage dials...none of them are correct simply because they actually aint sausage in the sense that most here understand... its not simply a lume applied on top of a dial its lume applied into a deep cutout which stands proud or flat (model depending) towards centre of cutout... you can still see the cutouts clearly in the gen and that the sausage isnt or doesnt stand up and over... all rep dials with sausage lume looks like they were applied by a mini cake icing bag
