{*PCTeam*} Discussion PAM299K Noob @ Puretime

[AHX]

Figured as I'm now on the PAM consultant team I should throw this in the ring for discussion rather than just ignore it cause it's not for me.

Puretime has today posted up preorders for the PAM 299.
http://puretime.co/product/pam299-k-11-noob-best-edition-a7750/

What's everyone's input on this? It's not a model which does anything for me stylewise nor that I am hugely familiar with, but of note is that the bracelet is very nice and the movement rotor, which a lot of the time is way wrong for these models, actually looks to be quite spot on! Here is gen for reference:

I can't provide much more input as I'm at work but the ball is now rolling. Pick the flaws gentlemen!

 

[ALE7575]

Hi AHX
This is the kind of info and work that people are waiting from the PCTeam !!

BUT WE WILL NEED THE INPUTS AND THOUGHTS FROM ALL RWI PEOPLE !!!
Not only from the PCTeam !!

At this moment I was working in the info and Data Table of this watch for the PAM REVIEW-GUIDE, because before this moment the rep from Puretime was SOLD OUT.
Yes the movement seems very improved. Fortunately, it seems there are some trends in the makers to produce more and more better looking movements.
I'm now working (business) but I think to have the general info in the PAM GUIDE this evening (Spain).
I think we can consider this Thread like the starting Discussion thread for this replica.
I will consider, if you have no objections, change a little the tittle of the thread, in order to indicate it is started from the PCTeam as an Official Discussion.

Thanks
ALE

 

[ALE7575]

Any thoughts??

Following derscription from PURETIME, this is a very well made watch and almost perfect replica.

"This watch is 1:1 and all parts are made to the same structure as the genuine, with colorless AR crystal with correct cyclops, correct date-font, superlumed dial and hands, right-angled CG, flush and polished cannon pinion and the movement has been decorated to look like the genuine movement!
This is a Noob Factory watch and is one of the most accurate Panerai replicas ever made!"

We are waiting for your kind comments

ALE

 

[COLDI]

Isn't the lsml off below the six?

 

[ALE7575]

Isn't the lsml off below the six?

Hi COLDI
I think it is good
Look at the pics of GEN and REP in comparison

It is almost exact


MORE GEN PICS

Make comparisons !!!

ALE

 

[AHX]

Looks like my opinion this one's a bit dull is universal? Haha. The only big thing for me is, I'm quite picky on how the movements are. PAMs based on this movement are almost always way off on the rotors or other details. This watch, while fairly plain as a PAM (Although the bracelet has a certain allure and looks spot on) represents a step in the right direction for the makers who normally don't seem to give a crap about getting the movements accurate. Here they have obviously made a conscious effort to get that detail right.

 

[ALE7575]

Hi AHX
I don't agree with the opinion about this watch is dull
I don't like PAMs on bracelet but this watch and the seemingly big quality of the rep have attracted a lot my attention.
In fact I would consider to get one of them.

I agree with you in the effort of maker to get a more accurate movement, perhaps the more interesting step in this watch, leaving aside the general quality.
It seems that the cyclpos has a better polished sidewalls and the pics from Puretime in comparison to the gen pics are very promising.
For me, waiting for more opinions, is directly a Frst Class rep pending to be consider as Super rep, since it has solid caseback no problems about the movement accuracy.
We will see

OPINIONS PLEASE, this rep deserves more ATTENTION !!!!

ALE

 

[justlounging]

well in my opinion, it looks like a 104 with a metal bracelet on..i personally dont fancy the bracelet as it becomes a bit too distracting..

other than that, if the quality of the dial and lume is as good, if not better, than the 104 that was released, i say Kudos to the factory and PT who pushed for this model to be produced..

 

[sharrkey]

H factory has one due out soon also, and at a better price point, have to say from a quick look they seem to be getting there with the crown guard finally, not sure on the rest as I've just had a quick look on my phone.

http://www.1-pc8838.com/0pn299n01-299n-ssss-a7750-p-12527.html

Rolled lever looks a bit fat and also pointy lever tip.


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[co-axial]

H factory has one due out soon also, and at a better price point, have to say from a quick look they seem to be getting there with the crown guard finally, not sure on the rest as I've just had a quick look on my phone. http://www.1-pc8838.com/0pn299n01-299n-ssss-a7750-p-12527.html

Rolled lever looks a bit fat and also pointy lever tip.


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Now that is definately a 104 dial!! Beware this is NOT the 299 dial!

 

[ALE7575]

H factory has one due out soon also, and at a better price point, have to say from a quick look they seem to be getting there with the crown guard finally, not sure on the rest as I've just had a quick look on my phone.

http://www.1-pc8838.com/0pn299n01-299n-ssss-a7750-p-12527

Rolled lever looks a bit fat and also pointy lever tip.

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+1 with co-ax

No, be careful, it is a PAM 104 dial with a brushed case and a SS bracelet. look at the inscription L Swiss Made L below the 6 marker.
The markers and the thickness of them are also different to 299 markers.
The PC watch is an adaptation of 104 not the new PAM 299 which are PT selling
More inputs please. PCTeam working !!
Thanks
ALE

 

[dracula3]

Hi,
I'm not the PAM expert but we are talking about two versions on PAM299. The one from the Noob factory is the older version PAM299K. The H-factory version is the PAM299N. The main difference is the bolder font on the 299K and the position of the "L Swiss Made L". For the PAM299N the whole "L Swiss Made L" is under the 6 marker. So, both Noob and H version could be correct. It is great to see that H-factory finaly sharped the rounded edges in the CG.

You can google the gen PAM299 K and N versions and see the differences. Really funny remark - if you go to the official panerai web, look in the catalogue, open the PAM299 - you will see the PAM299N with thinner font and "L Swiss Made L" under the 6, i.e the H-factory version ... but when you click on the fist picture in the details you will see the PAM299K with bolder font and different possition of "L Swiss Made L", i.e. the Noob version

 

[co-axial]

Hi,
I'm not the PAM expert but we are talking about two versions on PAM299. The one from the Noob factory is the older version PAM299K. The H-factory version is the PAM299N. The main difference is the bolder font on the 299K and the position of the "L Swiss Made L". For the PAM299N the whole "L Swiss Made L" is under the 6 marker. So, both Noob and H version could be correct. It is great to see that H-factory finaly sharped the rounded edges in the CG.

You can google the gen PAM299 K and N versions and see the differences. Really funny remark - if you go to the official panerai web, look in the catalogue, open the PAM299 - you will see the PAM299N with thinner font and "L Swiss Made L" under the 6, i.e the H-factory version ... but when you click on the fist picture in the details you will see the PAM299K with bolder font and different possition of "L Swiss Made L", i.e. the Noob version

Good call, i stand corrected, have some rep from me dracula3

299K = lsml next to 6

299N = lsml under 6

But, the 299N dial still is a 104N dial :frusty:

 

[AHX]

As stated, it's not a watch for me, but that's not to say it's not good! I would say First Class for sure, and considering the accuracy of the movement, which is an important step forward if they intend to keep getting accurate movements even in closed caseback models, and to my eye everything else looks to be very accurate as well, it is definitely grounds for a Super Rep which is great because the more of them that are properly worthy of the title, the better!

It's personally not to my taste but I can recognise for sure that it is a good replica.

 

[dracula3]

have some rep from me dracula3

Thank you very much

But, the 299N dial still is a 104N dial :frusty:

Yes, it is probably the same dial as in 104N. The only differences are the the case and CG which are brushed on 299N and of course the bracelet.

It's a pity. I like more the 299K dial, but after the recent Noob factory QC problems like the defective qr buttons and horrible cyclops on their 104 and 164 I would like to try the H-factory version, which is 299N.

 

[jonasprivate]

I think its looks good on bracelet

 

[ALE7575]

Hi dracula
Many thanks for your observations
Nice to see that there are members studying these matters too.
Yes you have well spotted this matter !! Congrats!!
And thanks your observations we can understand what COLDI , co-ax and myself were saying in this thread. We all were right and we all made a mistake !! LOL

Because actually there are two versions of this watch:

PAM 299 K-series - dial with bolders markers and L SWISS MADE L in two parts at the two sides of the 6 marker
PAM 299 N-series - dial type PAM 104 with thiner markers and L SWISS MADE L completely under the 6 marker.

In the Official website of Paneraai you can see pics of the two versions:
General view N-series- Panerai website
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7894&id_categoria=35

Retail view K-series- Panerai website
http://www.panerai.com/s_dett_prodotto.xpd?id_padre=null&id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7894&mode=view&id_vista=0
http://www.panerai.com/s_dett_prodotto.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=7894&id_dettaglio=0

Threfore we have two different replicas of two different versions of PAM 299:
The PAM 299 K-series is copied by the Noob factory and sold by Puretime
The PAM 299 N-series is copied by H maker and sold by PC.

I personally, as dracula, prefer the N-series dial
Many thanks again dracula for your input, thanks to you we have cflarify this matter.

I will include two Data Table for this watch in the PAM REVIEW-GUIDE

ALE

 

[PolonusTM]

well... PAM 299N from PC preordered... I should have it quite "first" and be engaged with detailed photo-review in no time

 

[gianton]

Not my cup of tea, but H-fac looks like they're improving! Wonder if the case construction is at the same level Noob is.

 

[PolonusTM]

Not my cup of tea, but H-fac looks like they're improving! Wonder if the case construction is at the same level Noob is.

I have been told - yes.