Well.. If you sell hige priced gens or bang for buck reps I still would like a little bit of service, communications and speed in dispatching a paid and approved watch. But thats just me. Why they would want to not ship out ready orders and make space for new ones is beyond me.
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PAM000 XF
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I thought I read somewhere he only does Sandwich dial and not Sausage? I'll reach out to him and ask. Thanks!
@Vicar69 Thanks!
Anyone have Pics to post of a Sausage relume? See if the lume is flat and slightly recessed (gen-like) or is it bulging out ?
The case shape is too round ! Compare with a gen 000 and you will see. Also the open 6 and 9 are not as smoothly curved as the gen, sausage dials are very hard to replicate vs for example the very similar sandwiched dial 112! With that being said this is not a "fantastic rep" as many gen Panerai fans will quickly be able to spot these known rep flaws! I'd get a 112 instead , just my 2c.
The 3 is very good, the 6 is so so, the 9 is laughable ! All the number fonts are bolder than gen.
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The 3 is very good, the 6 is so so, the 9 is laughable ! All the number fonts are bolder than gen.
Gen on top
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Exactly, the case shape is too round, very noticeable.
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A paneristi or even a regular above average Pam loving guy would KNOW this is a rep just by looking at the case rounded edges and the bold number cutouts / weird non smooth curved open 9 too.
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Laughable? What in the world are you talking about... here is your pic zoomed even ridiculously further in. You say the rep isn’t as smoothly curved as the gen? In what way? If anything the gen 9 looks worse in these pics.The case shape is too round ! Compare with a gen 000 and you will see. Also the open 6 and 9 are not as smoothly curved as the gen, sausage dials are very hard to replicate vs for example the very similar sandwiched dial 112! With that being said this is not a "fantastic rep" as many gen Panerai fans will quickly be able to spot these known rep flaws! I'd get a 112 instead , just my 2c.
The 3 is very good, the 6 is so so, the 9 is laughable ! All the number fonts are bolder than gen.
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But again... this is zoomed into 100x’s bigger than you would ever see it in real life, unless you carry a loupe around with you all the time.View attachment 107383
Just do it yourself, go look online for Pam 000 dial pics and look at the 9 specially ... look at the "head" of the 9 and it's size, it's easier if you compare the black "head" against the surrounding lume that makes the number, look at the shape of the curves and how BOLDER they're, see the distance between the horizontal part of the 9 and the curve below ... if you're not able to see this, well... then you don't.
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I think you are missing my point... are there minute differences? Sure. But can you see this in the real world? Nope.
Also, have you seen every gen dial out there... there are variances in production. (I.e. gens have flaws)
IMO, you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. This is an UNDER $200 rep that is extremely good.
At the end of the day its just a $200 toy and not a $5000 gen.
Yes of course ! I understand the point, It's ridiculously cheap and that's amazingly good ! But I can assure you if I go right now into my paneristi account and upload the rep picture and ask for opinion , most will tell it's not real ! With all that I said I Wouldn't ever buy the gen [emoji6]
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Stop! Ristis in Dallas love my H Fac zero. They own gen PAM's and they haven't been able to tell. I own probably the most accurate 201A rep in the world and not one of them have ever questioned it. The very original zero! The H Fac case is not as accurate as this new one we are discussing. I just got mine and have been wearing it for 2 days to get a good feel so I can decide on the mods it needs. So far I can tell you the case in general is better than both H and Noob. Ditto for the dial and crystal. I'm hopping to get a nice relume so it can stand up in the dark. I've been uploading pics from P.com and one obvious thing is this: depending on the series the dials are different. Somehow after the M series the numerals seem thinner. As far as the edges on the case construction the X Fac is better than my H fac. The midcase curvature seems smoother and the edges are not as sharp. I'll come up with pics to show this once I have time....
Bezel doesn’t have the S mirror reflection the gen has. A major polish is needed. The numerals are a bit too fat indeed. But this is the best version to date. I sold my Gen 000 over a year ago or else I would’ve done a side by side comparison. Should get mine shortly.
I was just looking at the Pam 104 rep by Noob, now THAT is a super rep! The numbers are also applied on cutout recesses like a sausage but they're just PERFECT, not fat, same exact curves and proportions etc.
To be fair the 6 is closed (although there are series with an open 6) and it doesn't have a 9 because of the small seconds at 9 sub dial, so much easier to reproduce than the open ones on the 000! the open 6 and 9 , specially the open 9 are the usual tells on sausage dial rep pams.
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To be fair the 6 is closed (although there are series with an open 6) and it doesn't have a 9 because of the small seconds at 9 sub dial, so much easier to reproduce than the open ones on the 000! the open 6 and 9 , specially the open 9 are the usual tells on sausage dial rep pams.
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Please consider that the following gen pics were taken by different people using different camera/settings with different light conditions at different times. From them I want to bring two obvious details to your attention: fat vs slim numerals and soft lines on the case edges. This 3 pics are are from P.com
M series with 'fat' numerals
P series case 'soft' lines
Q series with 'thin' numerals
The X Fac zero case and dial, judging from pics posted here by some members has more in common with the post M series gen case and dial. This weekend I'll take side by side pics of the H and X fac together. In the meantime, let's hear what you think.
M series with 'fat' numerals
P series case 'soft' lines
Q series with 'thin' numerals
The X Fac zero case and dial, judging from pics posted here by some members has more in common with the post M series gen case and dial. This weekend I'll take side by side pics of the H and X fac together. In the meantime, let's hear what you think.
