Just inching super Pams to the AP RO price point of $500 and over. Anyone remember the $1200 full ceramic HBB? Its cost of R&D. The maker spent $30k plus to buy the gen. They know they will sell every single one made. If they can sell AP's for $600-700 they can sure sell this one or $500 plus.
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PAM 382 BRONZO found in the wild on Puretime's site
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Hopefully its not that ex ....bronze material is not that ex. Here's a 'similar' styled homage to the 382 that was recently launched.
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Preorders can also help with stock levels, rather than placing a bunch of individual orders. It also might afford a TD a small price break if they order many at once, which could be passed down (or not)
I'm new but I've been lurking for a while. I have a feeling that while the materials may not be too expensive it's still a replica of an expensive, limited piece with a lot of R&D behind making it happen. I'm eager to see the price it comes in at
I'm new but I've been lurking for a while. I have a feeling that while the materials may not be too expensive it's still a replica of an expensive, limited piece with a lot of R&D behind making it happen. I'm eager to see the price it comes in at
I mean seriously. Enough already. I really want this watch. I hope all TD's will be able to source it.
I'm in too, been waiting for this one. We should all be a lot more ambivalent about it though, so they don't artificially inflate the prices on us 
I don't want the PAM reps to start being priced like the AP's. That's probably a direct result of 30 page threads before there are even pictures of a completed rep, much less anyone having one in hand
I don't want the PAM reps to start being priced like the AP's. That's probably a direct result of 30 page threads before there are even pictures of a completed rep, much less anyone having one in hand
Bronze is cheaper than titanium and steel, but it is also harder to work with and uses different types of molds and machining. There is also a high failure rate when you work with bronze. A good number of cases that are poured will form air bubbles and crack when they cool. This will be as hard to produce as a carbon fiber case.
Zf also needs to get the mix of the bronze patina right to match the gen. This is nothing like gold plating. Generally, the patina is created using various acidic solutions that are applied to the bronze by air brush or hand followed by heat (torch). I have sculpted in bronze and I can tell you that getting the color and finish you want is an art that requires a lot of skill. The case makers will have a semi-automated process for doing this, but it will still involve a lot of human labor to make these case sets. If they can price this watch under $500, it will still be a tremendous value. This is another watch I will be pre-ordering.
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As delivered when new, the gen does not have patina, it is bright brushed bronze. There is no need for them to artificially create patina out of the box.
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Yea there will be no patina out the box. Gen is the same. Each one must develop their own.
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Don't go wrong
Gen OTB has a little patina and it is not at all clean brushed bronze
Bronze gets patina immediately
I have worn and handled a PAM 507 Bronzo in OP Boutique in Madrid and it had a nice patina very noticeable
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Gen OTB has a little patina and it is not at all clean brushed bronze
Bronze gets patina immediately
I have worn and handled a PAM 507 Bronzo in OP Boutique in Madrid and it had a nice patina very noticeable
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ALE, on this watch I think each can be different due to the properties of the bronze and it's reaction to handling and just the atmosphere. If handled and in a humid environment, it can quickly generate a significant patina. However, an untouched model not on display, and not exposed much to the environment (i.e. boxed at Panerai and unboxed only at home with new owner) can look very bright with minimal or no patina. Once unboxed, this will change rapidly.
My point here is only that there is no need for maker to introduce any additional steps to generate patina, this will happen all by itself.
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I agree with you about don't touch the watch
But maybe makers introduce some patina to hide some flaws like colour differences, finish, markers on bezel, colour or inaccurate knurling of bezel
And even to give to replica a more gen appearance.
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I have seen the gen 507 at the NYC boutique. Panerai absolutely absolutely adds a patina to the watch case. They aren't selling unfinished bronze. The patina was applied and polished back to achieve a rich rosy gold look. The watch will acquire patina with time, but panerai points it I the right direction.
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The gen 507 which I worn and play with had a little patina (but noticeable) too. No doubts
But we cannot know if patina comes from factory (added) or watches take the patina in few days with the contact with the air and its humidity
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But we cannot know if patina comes from factory (added) or watches take the patina in few days with the contact with the air and its humidity
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From what I know, as they arrive from Panerai, they are almost completely without patina. I have seen many unboxing photos of people receiving their 507 and they are very bright. Once out and exposed for a while, they start to develop the patina. How much and the type of patina depends on the environment they are exposed to and how they are maintained (i.e. swimming in the ocean, or carefully wiped down after wearing).
Here are some pictures:
There are some members of Paneristi who own the 382/507 that love the patina, and there are others that try to maintain the watches as close to the original condition as possible. Some ways in which they do this are to put ketchup (!!) on the watch, or to immerse in diluted lemon juice and baking soda. Basically a mildly acidic solution to return it to the original lustre.
Here are some pictures:
There are some members of Paneristi who own the 382/507 that love the patina, and there are others that try to maintain the watches as close to the original condition as possible. Some ways in which they do this are to put ketchup (!!) on the watch, or to immerse in diluted lemon juice and baking soda. Basically a mildly acidic solution to return it to the original lustre.
I dont mind getting patina on a rep or a micro brand of 1k. I just don't see how people do it with a 27k watch.