Oyster Perpetual 39mm

[john doe iii]

YEP you are correct everybody can disagree opinions are like arseholes we all them . So UBF ' is definitely the way to go' for grey and red grape' but you have never seen one only in TD pics ? If you had you would know the watch screams fake and the dial is terrible .

I own a genuine 114300 ( i purchased for my wife ) also have both a JF and ARF in red grape and rhodium in my watchbox , so i can directly compare them side by side . IMO both the JF and ARF are on the same level and they are very very gen like reps out of the box . Again IMO only ! The best OOTB reps i have owned , not the favourite rep i own , but the best as regards being gen like . With your eyes closed you can tell the ARF 114300 is a fake The UBF is $200 cheaper because you get $200 less of watch .

Regards the BP there was sales thread recently were a member purchased an ARF OP to only discover it was a BP . Anybody who followed the thread could see the difference in quality and why he picked up on the mistake ( not the sellers fault apparently ) . The Consensual List isn't made it was formed originally by some ' expert ' watch guys who know a lot more about reps and watches than me and i expect you . It is though a consensual list not one persons opinion .

The ARF/JF is the only NWBIG 'super rep ' ROLEX rep for a reason, it's the best watch out there . Arguing the BP/UBF /ANC etc is better is an opinion one you're entitled to it , but it's like arguing who is the greatest NBA player of all time . You can argue it's Kobe, Le Bron , Shaq, Magic , Bird, Wilt , Kareem etc etc but the answer is always going to be Jordan the GOAT .

Can you tell my why the white OP isn’t listed NWBIG? I really want a white one but assume maybe the color is not close to gen?


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[chocolito]

Can you tell my why the white OP isn’t listed NWBIG? I really want a white one but assume maybe the color is not close to gen?


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With the ARF the black and white versions have a dial misprint the vertical gap beween ROLEX and oyster perpetual is too big ( the blue dial is wrong colour) . Which i'm very surprised doesn't seem to have been fixed yet ? It makes the dial annoying to look at , and is a obvious tell it's a replica . You could try UBF , ANF, BPF or GMF who all make versions of the white dial OP ? It seems some people think many are wonderful in this thread . If i was buying an OP firstly i'd camp on the M2M sales and hope to find a JF version with the older dial in red grape or rhodium ( grey) dial , alternatively order an Arf from a TD with either of the same colour dials . Just my ten penneth though .

 

[Redheart]

The white ARF has wrong hour markers, look at it closely.
Also the UBF has a low quality brushing mid case me thinks. Looks like ARF, while not exactly gen like has better mid case.
Here is the UBF, it has wrong hands too, that a bummer :

 

[KJ2020]

Looks like UBF is sometimes using hands from the 34mm model on the 39mm model. D'oh

Pics credit lawlessflyer

 

[Perpetual]

Looks like UBF is sometimes using hands from the 34mm model on the 39mm model. D'oh

Pics credit lawlessflyer

Yep spot on.

 

[rockdaytona]

With the ARF the black and white versions have a dial misprint the vertical gap beween ROLEX and oyster perpetual is too big ( the blue dial is wrong colour) . Which i'm very surprised doesn't seem to have been fixed yet ? It makes the dial annoying to look at , and is a obvious tell it's a replica . You could try UBF , ANF, BPF or GMF who all make versions of the white dial OP ? It seems some people think many are wonderful in this thread . If i was buying an OP firstly i'd camp on the M2M sales and hope to find a JF version with the older dial in red grape or rhodium ( grey) dial , alternatively order an Arf from a TD with either of the same colour dials . Just my ten penneth though .

I just don’t see it bro.
here is photo of gen and arf. Markets look fine. Printing looks fine.

 

[KJ2020]

I just don’t see it bro.
here is photo of gen and arf. Markets look fine. Printing looks fine.

Then gen dial print looks bolder, so that makes the space between the lines look a tiny bit shorter to me.

The gen hour markers look like they have vertically rounded walls - like the domed bezel of the watch. Also the lume does not fill the well, but only rises up about halfway. The ARF markers by comparison look cheap, they are squared off, flat full lume reservoirs. Functional but not eloquent.

On the wrist, I dont think either of these things would bother me much but then I wasn't planning on spending big for the ARF with an SH movement anyway.

 

[Perpetual]

Then gen dial print looks bolder, so that makes the space between the lines look a tiny bit shorter to me.

The gen hour markers look like they have vertically rounded walls - like the domed bezel of the watch. Also the lume does not fill the well, but only rises up about halfway. The ARF markers by comparison look cheap, they are squared off, flat full lume reservoirs. Functional but not eloquent.

On the wrist, I dont think either of these things would bother me much but then I wasn't planning on spending big for the ARF with an SH movement anyway.

Agreed about the cheap ARF hr markers, they are indeed squared off GEN are cut at 45 degree on the edges.

see pic if UBF (onther reason to get UBF vs ARF)

 

[KJ2020]

Agreed about the cheap ARF hr markers, they are indeed squared off GEN are cut at 45 degree on the edges.

see pic if UBF (onther reason to get UBF vs ARF)

Plus the UBF dial coronet looks more like gen. It has more space under the 3 inner spires above the oval opening, just like the gen.

 

[Perpetual]

Plus the UBF dial coronet looks more like gen. It has more space under the 3 inner spires above the oval opening, just like the gen.[/QUOTE]

oh nice! Didn't catch that! Well I'm officially happy with my purchase now! And recieved notification that it's shipped!

 

[chocolito]

I just don’t see it bro.
here is photo of gen and arf. Markets look fine. Printing looks fine.

So firstly you can see ARF have changed dial from the original release as the dial coronet has been improved . The gap between ROLEX and OYSTER PERPETUAL was ridiculously massive , and i mean to the naked eye . It now seems improved but as KJ points out still not bold enough , and it looks to me ( my opinion ) still a smidgen too high . The caveat to that is that the QC pics are under a strong flourescent light and magnified xxx the dial looks washed out, as does the dial print . Perhaps ask for a picture in natural light if you are buying . The same goes for the markers, the pictures from other members are macro xxxx . In reality you won't see unrounded edges etc with the naked eye . There are a lot of pinickety people on here, who pick up on faults you would need bionic magnifying eyes to see in real life .Also a lot of people who just regurgitate stuff other members post.
There seems to be a bit of a downer on Arf watches in general by some forum members . Personally i have had no problems with the ARF and JF watches i have purchased . I have two with the SH3132 and both run like German trains. In contrast the last two rep watches i have bought had A28×× movements one needed serving , the other needed repair on arrival . The JF 114300 I have is 4 years old ( ?) Still runs great and looks great . My opinion(only) it is the best Rolex replica as far as 'gen like' you can buy .
Anyway you didn't ask me to debate the best 114300 . You asked me WHY the white dial isn't on the ' CONSENSUAL LIST ' ( NWBIG) and i explained why .Other members can substantiate the poor dial coronet , and the ' huge ' gap on release . However the watch is two years old , two and a half ??? New dial batches would have been used the gap seems improved as does the coronet ( while not perfect ).
I would just buy the watch you want , be your own council . If want an ARF , UBF, ANF buy it . Take on opinion , weed out the nonsense ,and do your own research .Make your own decision , for me it would be ARF you may decide on something different .

 

[Perpetual]

So firstly you can see ARF have changed dial from the original release as the dial coronet has been improved . The gap between ROLEX and OYSTER PERPETUAL was ridiculously massive , and i mean to the naked eye . It now seems improved but as KJ points out still not bold enough , and it looks to me ( my opinion ) still a smidgen too high . The caveat to that is that the QC pics are under a strong flourescent light and magnified xxx the dial looks washed out, as does the dial print . Perhaps ask for a picture in natural light if you are buying . The same goes for the markers, the pictures from other members are macro xxxx . In reality you won't see unrounded edges etc with the naked eye . There are a lot of pinickety people on here, who pick up on faults you would need bionic magnifying eyes to see in real life .Also a lot of people who just regurgitate stuff other members post.
There seems to be a bit of a downer on Arf watches in general by some forum members . Personally i have had no problems with the ARF and JF watches i have purchased . I have two with the SH3132 and both run like German trains. In contrast the last two rep watches i have bought had A28×× movements one needed serving , the other needed repair on arrival . The JF 114300 I have is 4 years old ( ?) Still runs great and looks great . My opinion(only) it is the best Rolex replica as far as 'gen like' you can buy .
Anyway you didn't ask me to debate the best 114300 . You asked me WHY the white dial isn't on the ' CONSENSUAL LIST ' ( NWBIG) and i explained why .Other members can substantiate the poor dial coronet , and the ' huge ' gap on release . However the watch is two years old , two and a half ??? New dial batches would have been used the gap seems improved as does the coronet ( while not perfect ).
I would just buy the watch you want , be your own council . If want an ARF , UBF, ANF buy it . Take on opinion , weed out the nonsense ,and do your own research .Make your own decision , for me it would be ARF you may decide on something different .

opcorn:I'll review my UBF when it arrives

 

[Redheart]

So firstly you can see ARF have changed dial from the original release as the dial coronet has been improved . The gap between ROLEX and OYSTER PERPETUAL was ridiculously massive , and i mean to the naked eye . It now seems improved but as KJ points out still not bold enough , and it looks to me ( my opinion ) still a smidgen too high . The caveat to that is that the QC pics are under a strong flourescent light and magnified xxx the dial looks washed out, as does the dial print . Perhaps ask for a picture in natural light if you are buying . The same goes for the markers, the pictures from other members are macro xxxx . In reality you won't see unrounded edges etc with the naked eye . There are a lot of pinickety people on here, who pick up on faults you would need bionic magnifying eyes to see in real life .Also a lot of people who just regurgitate stuff other members post.
There seems to be a bit of a downer on Arf watches in general by some forum members . Personally i have had no problems with the ARF and JF watches i have purchased . I have two with the SH3132 and both run like German trains. In contrast the last two rep watches i have bought had A28×× movements one needed serving , the other needed repair on arrival . The JF 114300 I have is 4 years old ( ?) Still runs great and looks great . My opinion(only) it is the best Rolex replica as far as 'gen like' you can buy .
Anyway you didn't ask me to debate the best 114300 . You asked me WHY the white dial isn't on the ' CONSENSUAL LIST ' ( NWBIG) and i explained why .Other members can substantiate the poor dial coronet , and the ' huge ' gap on release . However the watch is two years old , two and a half ??? New dial batches would have been used the gap seems improved as does the coronet ( while not perfect ).
I would just buy the watch you want , be your own council . If want an ARF , UBF, ANF buy it . Take on opinion , weed out the nonsense ,and do your own research .Make your own decision , for me it would be ARF you may decide on something different .

You will notice the flat markers I can garantee that. The faceted markers play with reflection in a very interesting way. Watch those close ups of the gen:
https://youtu.be/RoO6L934JgU

 

[Redheart]

opcorn:I'll review my UBF when it arrives

Nice! Did you get a QC with longer hands?

 

[Perpetual]

Nice! Did you get a QC with longer hands?

Yes I did! Nice and Gen like

 

[Perpetual]

The faceted markers play with reflection in a very interesting way.

https://youtu.be/RoO6L934JgU

Yes, my point exactly bro

 

[chocolito]

You will notice the flat markers I can garantee that. The faceted markers play with reflection in a very interesting way. Watch those close ups of the gen:
https://youtu.be/RoO6L934JgU

That's brilliant thanks for heads up , but i will be honest i couldn't care less . As i have already said UBF ,ARF, ANF who cares . I don't like the newest white/black dial 39mm OP's . I just answered the fellas question on why the white dial isn't on the 'Consensual NWBIG List' you have added to this the a flaw with the markers :clap_1:....'the way the light dances on them' The video you have linked is shot with a macro lense ?? I have the older x 3 of the previous dial in my watchbox gen, JF , Arf which has a different dial and markers . My opinion is you will need the six million dollar mans bionic eye to see the subtle difference in the marker shape in real life , again the pictures in this thread are macro magnified XXXXXXXXX . Obviously your opinion is different and that is great , enjoy your UBF and i will enjoy my watches . I have though sat for periods of time both the gen and 'fake' watches if 'know ' what the flaws are and really look then you will find them . Otherwise they are pretty spot on replicas IMO ( only) .Nobody is going to really call out your watch on the wrist , which compared to some of the 'great' subs and DJ's posted on here which can be called out at 50 paces , is pretty good achievement for a 'knock off '.

 

[chocolito]

That's brilliant thanks for heads up , but i will be honest i couldn't care less . As i have already said UBF ,ARF, ANF who cares . I don't like the newest white/black dial 39mm OP's . I just answered the fellas question on why the white dial isn't on the 'Consensual NWBIG List' you have added to this the a flaw with the markers :clap_1:....'the way the light dances on them' The video you have linked is shot with a macro lense ?? I have the older x 3 of the previous dial in my watchbox gen, JF , Arf which has a different dial and markers . My opinion is you will need the six million dollar mans bionic eye to see the subtle difference in the marker shape in real life , again the pictures in this thread are macro magnified XXXXXXXXX . Obviously your opinion is different and that is great , enjoy your UBF and i will enjoy my watches . I have though sat for periods of time both the gen and 'fake' watches if 'know ' what the flaws are and really look then you will find them . Otherwise they are pretty spot on replicas IMO ( only) .Nobody is going to really call out your watch on the wrist , which compared to some of the 'great' subs and DJ's posted on here which can be called out at 50 paces , is pretty good achievement for a 'knock off '.

Oh and that is macro lens not lense damn keyboard .

 

[Redheart]

Oh and that is macro lens not lense damn keyboard .

No worries I don't quite get why are you so hang up on macro details, because after all that is watches we are talking about. And on the video you see beautiful wrist shots and I also have some watches with faceted hands and markers, and I know I like them that way and not the cheap replica way

 

[chocolito]

No worries I don't quite get why are you so hang up on macro details, because after all that is watches we are talking about. And on the video you see beautiful wrist shots and I also have some watches with faceted hands and markers, and I know I like them that way and not the cheap replica way

I'm not hung up on anything just fed up of know it all clowns telling me there are terrible flaws on watches , and then posting macro photos to prove it . I'm not on about MICRO details ? Micro and macro are different things . I'm on about magnified ×××× pictures . The video link you posted is shot through a macro lens , so dial is being xxx magnified . The way to compare a 'cheap replica ' watch is with the genuine watch in natural light , not by looking a magnified pictures on TD websites . To be honest i think many people talk absolute garbage on here . Lets be honest replica watches are cheap imitations of the real thing , a $500 ( the cost of a decent night out) watch pretending to be a watch 5, 10, 20, sometimes 50 times + . I can cope with markers that look slightly the wrong shape under xxx magnification . If i'm worried about how ' the light dances on the markers' i will save up a little and buy the real thing .