OP Blacklisting buyers?

[Klink]

Good point, yes..

but nowhere in the story was anything said about repair, or fabrication of the movement.. just a simple cleaning and lubricating..

that and a new dial..

lets do the math:

Service the watch: $ 350.00
Redial the watch: $2,650.00

or maybe the vicey versy... service for $2,650.00,
and a redial for $350.00...

Panerai Bargain!!!

 

[d4m.test]

I suppose it's not that unusual to hand pick who you sell too I mean a certain high end Italian sports car company sells some of their models by invitation only, maybe its rubbed off on Panerai.
On the plus side the Rep is just about better quality and you will be able to get parts for it still in 10 years

 

[zetterdawg]

I agree, it's not smart marketing. It SOUNDs like Panerai Authorised Repair is bit of a black hole to begin with. Your watch disappears forever and comes back not to your specs and with a sizable invoice. You hear these stories repeated by multiple frustrated customers. Remember how much these guys paid in the first instance. This exampled complaintant says he's spent dosh on 14 Post Vendome models, he probably thinks he has some status as a good customer ... so you can see where he anger generated from.

I can imagine what he said to get blacklisted ... something on the line of daytona4me

HERE we whinge when a hand falls off in transit. GenWorld problems hold GenWorld price inflation ... yuck.

agreed - I had my gen panerai for 1 month, had to send it in for repairs twice, 2 months service on each return, second time it returned the watch looked like they held it with a pair of plier, deeeeeep scratches on it.

I refused to take the watch and got my money back.

fark them.

 

[hk45ca]

I personally don't think Panerai was able to stockpile suffcient movements to replace every one they sold ... that in itself could cause future issues. A big problem with low production numbers if you are going to fix or repair ...

Very Good Point my enzonian friend!
How quickly people forget about this point when they run out to get their "very different" limited edition whatever... car, cell phone, watch etc..

The words "limited edition" could take on a whole new meaning!

chevrolet got into big problems with that on the zr1 corvette. most of people that bought those cars didn't drive them and purchased 7 year 100,000 mile warantees. if left sitting for 4 or 5 years the water pump would start leaking. after they stopped building the Lt5 engine for that car they pulled all of the tooling for the engines and put into dormant storage then later destroyed it because of wharehousing costs. customers started showing up with 5 year old zr1's leaking water with 10 or 20 miles on them and there were no parts to fix the cars. general motors had to buy many of those cars back at premium prices because they couldn't fix them.
another costly mistake for the share holders because of corprate greed not to mention alienated customers.

 

[pancrazy]

How can Panerai blacklist a buyer? I can just walk to any AD and purchase one without showing my ID card... DUH! This is really ridiculous policy.

You need a name and address for the Warranty Card and Papers I believe . The crazy French in the AD's will make sure they check this off the so called 'black list' and boot him out of the shop with size 12 Steel Toe Capped Doc Martins pmsl

What a crazy story indeed

 

[panman8888]

that is the funniest crap i have seen in along time. rolls royce did this along time ago. they would prescreen their customers, then they went bankrupt and have never recovered from it to this day and they never will. if indeed this company has decided to start doing things like this their days will be numbered. general motors used to have the atittude that you will buy what they make and live with it while they treat you anyway they want and now they are on the verge of going broke also. panerai will erode their own customer base and then they will have no way out.

before you say they will sell all of them they make to someone else. they don't care what you think of them. take a good long look at ford and gm. they use to think like that also and now they have been reduced to junk statis. gm use to be the largest industrialized corparation in the world and that atittude tword their customers has reduced them to almost nothing.

there are lots of companys that make nice expensive watches. if panerai wants to strart down that slippery slope those guys will start spending their money somewhere else.

corprate bullys, you got to love them. 8)

the sad part--and i like that forum in a lot of ways--is that a lot of its members remind me of the little girls crying for the Beatles. i mean c'mon. i love these watches, history, etc., too, but i don't bash people who criticize the design of a new model. they tend to rationalize and justify anything OP does, and if anyone disagrees, they bash that person. they've created this monster they're now complaining about (as i'm sure rolls royce's over-admiring owners did as well). now they have to live with it.

it's just a watch. just a money-hungry, marketing-savvy corporation. stop worshipping it people...

by the way, did i mention i have 3 reps and a gen on order

 

[Ferrariman]

He should have sent it to Davidsen. I cannot speak for Davidsen but my guess is he would have serviced this guys watch for half that price.

 

[takashi]

For the warranty, really... I don't need to show any ID card to fill the warranty card. I don't know how the blacklist will work... maybe refusal for next repair?

@enzo: I got the point. It's very true that to repair a limited edition watch manufactured a decade ago, it's difficult. However, I believe Panerai should have foreseen this. It's preV?

Yeah... he should send it to davidsen :wink:

 

[Klink]

hmmmmm

ok, a warranty is important, and worth a lot...
for this watch the warranty gave the priviledge of paying
$3,000.00 for a service and a redial..

no mention was ever made of any repair work...

so, for me now I will not buy a rep if it has a warranty..
too freakin' expensive!

: )

?? $1,000.00 redial
$2,000.00 service

or maybe $2,000.00 redial
and $,1,000.00 service,,,,

I guess to all of the "Panerstupidp" it makes sense..
"Rape me, Rape me, Rape me, Please!!!!"

The guy should have realized what a bargain he got, instead of being upset.. imagine what the cost would have been if he did not have a warranty... at least double! $6.000.00 for service and dial...

: )

 

[thehorse]

So are we "sticking it to the man" by buying the rep or what? :twisted:

 

[Roeod4]

So are we "sticking it to the man" by buying the rep or what? :twisted:

That all depends, if you are "the man" then you are just sticking it to yourself.

 

[Klink]

heck no, the 'man' is very happy because he knows beyond a shadow
that he is far better than we are... even if a rep is exact in all regards
it is not the real deal... so merrily they go, paying thousands and thousands for a watch that has 3-400 bucks worth of parts...

I say, good for them, because their gens make our reps a far better
deal than even we know...

: )

 

[hk45ca]

i am at a loss to understand why a pam is expensive in the first place. where is the cost? what makes a gen 195 cost more than mine from davidsen? how exactly is it better? i see a 20.00 movement, 10.00 worth of stainless and .50 worth of leather? if they can't make a profit at 300.00 they are doing something wrong.

when i look at a watch made from 18k and diamonds it is easy to understand some of the cost. the materials have value on their own. a pam has none of that.

 

[Roeod4]

i am at a loss to understand why a pam is expensive in the first place. where is the cost? what makes a gen 195 cost more than mine from davidsen? how exactly is it better? i see a 20.00 movement, 10.00 worth of stainless and .50 worth of leather? if they can't make a profit at 300.00 they are doing something wrong.

when i look at a watch made from 18k and diamonds it is easy to understand some of the cost. the materials have value on their own. a pam has none of that.

See, I actually disagree with you here. Not on the Panerai, they are way over priced, but on what makes a watch expensive.

I see zero value in a watch that is 18k or platinum and diamond covered. I understand that they contain "precious metals and gems", but those don't mean anything to a lot of people and the value of them changes on a regular basis. To me the real cost lies in all the parts that nobody ever sees. This little gears and springs that are apart of the movement. To me the really fine watches are the complications that make a watch special. It is why a rep with a working tourbillion can actually be $1k instead of the regular $100 - $300 we pay for most reps.

 

[hk45ca]

i am at a loss to understand why a pam is expensive in the first place. where is the cost? what makes a gen 195 cost more than mine from davidsen? how exactly is it better? i see a 20.00 movement, 10.00 worth of stainless and .50 worth of leather? if they can't make a profit at 300.00 they are doing something wrong.

when i look at a watch made from 18k and diamonds it is easy to understand some of the cost. the materials have value on their own. a pam has none of that.

See, I actually disagree with you here. Not on the Panerai, they are way over priced, but on what makes a watch expensive.

I see zero value in a watch that is 18k or platinum and diamond covered. I understand that they contain "precious metals and gems", but those don't mean anything to a lot of people and the value of them changes on a regular basis. To me the real cost lies in all the parts that nobody ever sees. This little gears and springs that are apart of the movement. To me the really fine watches are the complications that make a watch special. It is why a rep with a working tourbillion can actually be $1k instead of the regular $100 - $300 we pay for most reps.

yes but the presious metals and stones are still held valuable buy 100% of the population of the world. lets face it, wars have been fought over gold. nobody is fighting over a watch except at panerai.

you can throw the movement in the trash from your diamond encrusted solid platinum rolex prez and it is still worth a ton of money. the materials have a inheirant value and can be sold at any time for their worth.

 

[bigbadbrad]

How can Panerai blacklist a buyer? I can just walk to any AD and purchase one without showing my ID card... DUH! This is really ridiculous policy.

Typically they will need your details for warranty etc., also, most people use a cc to pay - unless you carry a swag of cash :shock:

Some crazy $hit by OP, though. Wonder what the letters were like from Nic to OP???

--- BBB

 

[moggio]

Well...this is wat happen to the real gen watch world..what the F@!#!@#...If i am at his place..I will damn angry too...

but anyway..now I know..i will never buy a gen pam for sure..LOL ...go to F!@#!@ SBonati and this Panerai service...lol :twisted: :evil: ..who cares about them at all...I dont eat from they money ..for sure they should not eat from my money too..

 

[takashi]

How can Panerai blacklist a buyer? I can just walk to any AD and purchase one without showing my ID card... DUH! This is really ridiculous policy.

Typically they will need your details for warranty etc., also, most people use a cc to pay - unless you carry a swag of cash :shock:

Some crazy $hit by OP, though. Wonder what the letters were like from Nic to OP???

--- BBB

No problem to pay cash. Biggest single note here is equivalent to 6300USD... Or smaller more common note that is equivalent to 630USD. To get a gen PAM, you need 1 or 10 notes? I don't really believe the blacklisting in shop will work. Which dealers wouldn't want to sell a gen PAM? The letter can be threatening legal action probably. As he's really well known in France. Maybe ask Pug about it.

 

[moggio]

that is so thru..no problem for him to buy any panerai around the world...they cannot control it for sure..LOL ..

its just the hatred towards panerai is sooo damn high...so obviously one can live without panerai...there are bunches of watches out there that is more damn good than panerai and worth the money ...

 

[takashi]

I believe so... He may "upgrade" to Patek Philippe :lol: