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On The Bench - My Watchmaking Journey
- Thread starter Endo
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Maybe its my OCD talking (ok ok its definitelly my OCD talking), but I find these posts odly satisfying. For number of reasons.
Thanks for documenting your journey and your work for the rest of us weridos.
Thanks for documenting your journey and your work for the rest of us weridos.
I’m just appreciative people find it as interesting as I do, having a decent watch is fine but this goes that little bit deeper into the watch itselfMaybe its my OCD talking (ok ok its definitelly my OCD talking), but I find these posts odly satisfying. For number of reasons.
Thanks for documenting your journey and your work for the rest of us weridos.
Great photos as always! Whether Swiss or Asian, 649x movements are a joy to work with. Definitely the movement I would recommend for any beginner. Parts are also easy to find when novice hands snap pivots while ham-handing the trainwheel bridge…not like I speak from experience 
Couldn’t agree moreGreat photos as always! Whether Swiss or Asian, 649x movements are a joy to work with. Definitely the movement I would recommend for any beginner. Parts are also easy to find when novice hands snap pivots while ham-handing the trainwheel bridge…not like I speak from experience
God I thought I am the only one who breaks pivots...Great photos as always! Whether Swiss or Asian, 649x movements are a joy to work with. Definitely the movement I would recommend for any beginner. Parts are also easy to find when novice hands snap pivots while ham-handing the trainwheel bridge…not like I speak from experience
Good thing is that now more and more seldom @Endo keep up this nice work
I really enjoy seeing your nice annotated servicing pics and the journey of yours!
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Couldn’t agree moreGreat photos as always! Whether Swiss or Asian, 649x movements are a joy to work with. Definitely the movement I would recommend for any beginner. Parts are also easy to find when novice hands snap pivots while ham-handing the trainwheel bridge…not like I speak from experience
Many thanksGod I thought I am the only one who breaks pivots...
@Endo keep up this nice work
Hey RWI, Feels like its been a while,
Back with another post, this time servicing a VS3235, unlike the 3135 the tech documents for this particular movement aren't publicly available, were using the 3135 tech doc as a starting point and intuition I guess... If anyone has any recommendations about oiling points I may not have identified, please do let me know!
Before we do get onto the walkthrough, for the lack of a better word. I don't know how many people benefit from the full descriptive walkthrough of the assembly, I know for certain I wouldn't so I'm going to reign it in a little in that respect.
I also would just like to say, in no way is this a tutorial, these aren't created for that purpose, more of an insight into watchmaking and what is on my bench at the time.
Had a few messages/comments about which parts I epilame, for this information it'll always be on your tech doc, for the purpose of this post; here are the parts that I have used epilame on. I would just like to note that the pallet fork isn't coated completely, only the pallet stones.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture4.zgo6OW]
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Starting with the keyless works, slightly different to the 3135 comprising of less parts. I like the design of these parts, you can tell they've been thought about. Lubricating the keyless works with with 9504.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture3.zgonjP]
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https://clickpix.org/image/Picture2.zgo1uJ]
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https://clickpix.org/image/Picture1.zgoy6o]
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Flipping over the movement to install the train of wheels and bridge, barrel complete and bridge. A few reservations coming into this service I had done a fair bit of reading, one topic that did concern me was regarding disassembly of the mainspring barrel, apparently the 3235 barrel walls are very thin, this I opted for not disassembling and rather if it give me problems later down the line I will replace with a gen barrel complete. Rightly or wrongly I did also hear Rolex are also replacing this part as a whole (Barrel complete). I think I may need to do more research into this and/or speak with some of my peers and fellow contributors.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture3.zgonjP]
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https://clickpix.org/image/Picture2.zgo1uJ]
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https://clickpix.org/image/Picture1.zgoy6o]
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Pallet fork, bridge and winding system installed here, ready for the balance to be installed. Pallet stone face is lubricated with 9415, winding system gets 9504 and HP1300 in different locations.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture8.zgoBaL]
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Balance complete now installed, this is where I go ahead and start to regulate the movement. A fair bit of debate on lift angle for the 3235 movement, I'm going with 55 degrees on this from information I have read on various platforms.
Happy with the numbers and I am aware VS3235 does have a lower amplitude.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture9.zgoCAK]
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Dial side now to install the calendar works, mainly lubricated with HP1300, Date indicator seating is then installed with date jumper receiving 9504 to various locations.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture11.zgoTv1]
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https://clickpix.org/image/Picture10.zgoP6v]
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https://clickpix.org/image/Picture12.zgolF8]
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https://clickpix.org/image/Picture14.zgokO4]
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https://clickpix.org/image/Picture13.zgodzj]
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https://clickpix.org/image/Picture15.zgowkI]
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Working our way onto the automatic module, Referring back to picture regarding which parts get treated with epilame; Driving wheel and reversing wheels get treated. Reversing wheel posts are treated with HP1300.
They are also lubricated with HP1300 to the outer perimeter teeth, unlike the 3135 the reversing wheels aren't fully coated with teflon.
All pivots get lubricated with HP1300.
Automatic module can now be installed.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture18.zgoupi]
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https://clickpix.org/image/Picture17.zgosaX]
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https://clickpix.org/image/Picture16.zgo4Jc]
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Flipping the movement back over to install the date disc, dial and hands.
Then further install the movement into the case.
Once the movement is within the case, I then install the rotor, unlike the 3135 which operates on a jewelled axel, the 3235 is running with the newly adopted ball bearing rotor. I believe this is why the 3235 is somewhat a little noisier than the 3135.
One single ball bearing is lubricated with HP1300, in a very minimal fashion.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture20.zgoEAp]
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https://clickpix.org/image/Picture19.zgovFb]
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Once the gasket has been greased with some 8513, its time to case the watch up to conclude the service.
If you are finding these informative and or useful, let me know if there is anything you'd like to see within reason. I'm trying to keep this relatively rep related.
Thank you.
Back with another post, this time servicing a VS3235, unlike the 3135 the tech documents for this particular movement aren't publicly available, were using the 3135 tech doc as a starting point and intuition I guess... If anyone has any recommendations about oiling points I may not have identified, please do let me know!
Before we do get onto the walkthrough, for the lack of a better word. I don't know how many people benefit from the full descriptive walkthrough of the assembly, I know for certain I wouldn't so I'm going to reign it in a little in that respect.
I also would just like to say, in no way is this a tutorial, these aren't created for that purpose, more of an insight into watchmaking and what is on my bench at the time.
Had a few messages/comments about which parts I epilame, for this information it'll always be on your tech doc, for the purpose of this post; here are the parts that I have used epilame on. I would just like to note that the pallet fork isn't coated completely, only the pallet stones.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture4.zgo6OW]
[/url]Starting with the keyless works, slightly different to the 3135 comprising of less parts. I like the design of these parts, you can tell they've been thought about. Lubricating the keyless works with with 9504.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture3.zgonjP]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture2.zgo1uJ]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture1.zgoy6o]
[/url]Flipping over the movement to install the train of wheels and bridge, barrel complete and bridge. A few reservations coming into this service I had done a fair bit of reading, one topic that did concern me was regarding disassembly of the mainspring barrel, apparently the 3235 barrel walls are very thin, this I opted for not disassembling and rather if it give me problems later down the line I will replace with a gen barrel complete. Rightly or wrongly I did also hear Rolex are also replacing this part as a whole (Barrel complete). I think I may need to do more research into this and/or speak with some of my peers and fellow contributors.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture3.zgonjP]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture2.zgo1uJ]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture1.zgoy6o]
[/url]Pallet fork, bridge and winding system installed here, ready for the balance to be installed. Pallet stone face is lubricated with 9415, winding system gets 9504 and HP1300 in different locations.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture8.zgoBaL]
[/url]Balance complete now installed, this is where I go ahead and start to regulate the movement. A fair bit of debate on lift angle for the 3235 movement, I'm going with 55 degrees on this from information I have read on various platforms.
Happy with the numbers and I am aware VS3235 does have a lower amplitude.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture9.zgoCAK]
[/url]Dial side now to install the calendar works, mainly lubricated with HP1300, Date indicator seating is then installed with date jumper receiving 9504 to various locations.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture11.zgoTv1]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture10.zgoP6v]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture12.zgolF8]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture14.zgokO4]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture13.zgodzj]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture15.zgowkI]
[/url]Working our way onto the automatic module, Referring back to picture regarding which parts get treated with epilame; Driving wheel and reversing wheels get treated. Reversing wheel posts are treated with HP1300.
They are also lubricated with HP1300 to the outer perimeter teeth, unlike the 3135 the reversing wheels aren't fully coated with teflon.
All pivots get lubricated with HP1300.
Automatic module can now be installed.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture18.zgoupi]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture17.zgosaX]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture16.zgo4Jc]
[/url]Flipping the movement back over to install the date disc, dial and hands.
Then further install the movement into the case.
Once the movement is within the case, I then install the rotor, unlike the 3135 which operates on a jewelled axel, the 3235 is running with the newly adopted ball bearing rotor. I believe this is why the 3235 is somewhat a little noisier than the 3135.
One single ball bearing is lubricated with HP1300, in a very minimal fashion.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture20.zgoEAp]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture19.zgovFb]
[/url]Once the gasket has been greased with some 8513, its time to case the watch up to conclude the service.
If you are finding these informative and or useful, let me know if there is anything you'd like to see within reason. I'm trying to keep this relatively rep related.
Thank you.
Hey RWI, Feels like its been a while,
Back with another post, this time servicing a VS3235, unlike the 3135 the tech documents for this particular movement aren't publicly available, were using the 3135 tech doc as a starting point and intuition I guess... If anyone has any recommendations about oiling points I may not have identified, please do let me know!
Before we do get onto the walkthrough, for the lack of a better word. I don't know how many people benefit from the full descriptive walkthrough of the assembly, I know for certain I wouldn't so I'm going to reign it in a little in that respect.
I also would just like to say, in no way is this a tutorial, these aren't created for that purpose, more of an insight into watchmaking and what is on my bench at the time.
Had a few messages/comments about which parts I epilame, for this information it'll always be on your tech doc, for the purpose of this post; here are the parts that I have used epilame on. I would just like to note that the pallet fork isn't coated completely, only the pallet stones.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture4.zgo6OW]
[/url]
Starting with the keyless works, slightly different to the 3135 comprising of less parts. I like the design of these parts, you can tell they've been thought about. Lubricating the keyless works with with 9504.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture3.zgonjP]
[/url]
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture2.zgo1uJ]
[/url]
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture1.zgoy6o]
[/url]
Flipping over the movement to install the train of wheels and bridge, barrel complete and bridge. A few reservations coming into this service I had done a fair bit of reading, one topic that did concern me was regarding disassembly of the mainspring barrel, apparently the 3235 barrel walls are very thin, this I opted for not disassembling and rather if it give me problems later down the line I will replace with a gen barrel complete. Rightly or wrongly I did also hear Rolex are also replacing this part as a whole (Barrel complete). I think I may need to do more research into this and/or speak with some of my peers and fellow contributors.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture3.zgonjP]
[/url]
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture2.zgo1uJ]
[/url]
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture1.zgoy6o]
[/url]
Pallet fork, bridge and winding system installed here, ready for the balance to be installed. Pallet stone face is lubricated with 9415, winding system gets 9504 and HP1300 in different locations.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture8.zgoBaL]
[/url]
Balance complete now installed, this is where I go ahead and start to regulate the movement. A fair bit of debate on lift angle for the 3235 movement, I'm going with 55 degrees on this from information I have read on various platforms.
Happy with the numbers and I am aware VS3235 does have a lower amplitude.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture9.zgoCAK]
[/url]
Dial side now to install the calendar works, mainly lubricated with HP1300, Date indicator seating is then installed with date jumper receiving 9504 to various locations.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture11.zgoTv1]
[/url]
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture10.zgoP6v]
[/url]
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture12.zgolF8]
[/url]
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture14.zgokO4]
[/url]
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture13.zgodzj]
[/url]
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture15.zgowkI]
[/url]
Working our way onto the automatic module, Referring back to picture regarding which parts get treated with epilame; Driving wheel and reversing wheels get treated. Reversing wheel posts are treated with HP1300.
They are also lubricated with HP1300 to the outer perimeter teeth, unlike the 3135 the reversing wheels aren't fully coated with teflon.
All pivots get lubricated with HP1300.
Automatic module can now be installed.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture18.zgoupi]
[/url]
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture17.zgosaX]
[/url]
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture16.zgo4Jc]
[/url]
Flipping the movement back over to install the date disc, dial and hands.
Then further install the movement into the case.
Once the movement is within the case, I then install the rotor, unlike the 3135 which operates on a jewelled axel, the 3235 is running with the newly adopted ball bearing rotor. I believe this is why the 3235 is somewhat a little noisier than the 3135.
One single ball bearing is lubricated with HP1300, in a very minimal fashion.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture20.zgoEAp]
[/url]
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture19.zgovFb]
[/url]
Once the gasket has been greased with some 8513, its time to case the watch up to conclude the service.
If you are finding these informative and or useful, let me know if there is anything you'd like to see within reason. I'm trying to keep this relatively rep related.
Thank you.
Back with another post, this time servicing a VS3235, unlike the 3135 the tech documents for this particular movement aren't publicly available, were using the 3135 tech doc as a starting point and intuition I guess... If anyone has any recommendations about oiling points I may not have identified, please do let me know!
Before we do get onto the walkthrough, for the lack of a better word. I don't know how many people benefit from the full descriptive walkthrough of the assembly, I know for certain I wouldn't so I'm going to reign it in a little in that respect.
I also would just like to say, in no way is this a tutorial, these aren't created for that purpose, more of an insight into watchmaking and what is on my bench at the time.
Had a few messages/comments about which parts I epilame, for this information it'll always be on your tech doc, for the purpose of this post; here are the parts that I have used epilame on. I would just like to note that the pallet fork isn't coated completely, only the pallet stones.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture4.zgo6OW]
[/url]Starting with the keyless works, slightly different to the 3135 comprising of less parts. I like the design of these parts, you can tell they've been thought about. Lubricating the keyless works with with 9504.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture3.zgonjP]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture2.zgo1uJ]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture1.zgoy6o]
[/url]Flipping over the movement to install the train of wheels and bridge, barrel complete and bridge. A few reservations coming into this service I had done a fair bit of reading, one topic that did concern me was regarding disassembly of the mainspring barrel, apparently the 3235 barrel walls are very thin, this I opted for not disassembling and rather if it give me problems later down the line I will replace with a gen barrel complete. Rightly or wrongly I did also hear Rolex are also replacing this part as a whole (Barrel complete). I think I may need to do more research into this and/or speak with some of my peers and fellow contributors.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture3.zgonjP]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture2.zgo1uJ]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture1.zgoy6o]
[/url]Pallet fork, bridge and winding system installed here, ready for the balance to be installed. Pallet stone face is lubricated with 9415, winding system gets 9504 and HP1300 in different locations.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture8.zgoBaL]
[/url]Balance complete now installed, this is where I go ahead and start to regulate the movement. A fair bit of debate on lift angle for the 3235 movement, I'm going with 55 degrees on this from information I have read on various platforms.
Happy with the numbers and I am aware VS3235 does have a lower amplitude.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture9.zgoCAK]
[/url]Dial side now to install the calendar works, mainly lubricated with HP1300, Date indicator seating is then installed with date jumper receiving 9504 to various locations.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture11.zgoTv1]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture10.zgoP6v]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture12.zgolF8]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture14.zgokO4]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture13.zgodzj]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture15.zgowkI]
[/url]Working our way onto the automatic module, Referring back to picture regarding which parts get treated with epilame; Driving wheel and reversing wheels get treated. Reversing wheel posts are treated with HP1300.
They are also lubricated with HP1300 to the outer perimeter teeth, unlike the 3135 the reversing wheels aren't fully coated with teflon.
All pivots get lubricated with HP1300.
Automatic module can now be installed.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture18.zgoupi]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture17.zgosaX]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture16.zgo4Jc]
[/url]Flipping the movement back over to install the date disc, dial and hands.
Then further install the movement into the case.
Once the movement is within the case, I then install the rotor, unlike the 3135 which operates on a jewelled axel, the 3235 is running with the newly adopted ball bearing rotor. I believe this is why the 3235 is somewhat a little noisier than the 3135.
One single ball bearing is lubricated with HP1300, in a very minimal fashion.
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture20.zgoEAp]
[/url]https://clickpix.org/image/Picture19.zgovFb]
[/url]Once the gasket has been greased with some 8513, its time to case the watch up to conclude the service.
If you are finding these informative and or useful, let me know if there is anything you'd like to see within reason. I'm trying to keep this relatively rep related.
Thank you.
fantastic yet again. Your walkthroughs are of great use to us trying to learn- please keep it up- the more detailed the better! It is easy to skip the little things that someone experienced in a field might gloss over- thinking "of course everyone knows that"- but often these little nuggets of information can be giant "Ah Ha!" moments for the neophyte.
IMO these should be stickied for posterity.
IMO these should be stickied for posterity.
An incredibly useful guide. Thanks for all the work that went into putting this together. It's tough to know exactly which lubricant to use where on the 3235 since there is no publicly available service manual from Rolex. Out of curiosity, why did you select grease rather than heavy oil for the contact points in the keyless works? I also tend to prefer using grease in the keyless since it spreads less than HP1300, but I know many manuals call for HP1300 on the keyless rather than grease. Also, could you clarify the oiling of the teeth in the automatic module reversers? You mentioned something about teflon coating, but I'm not sure I completely follow. Thanks again for the great guide.
Thanks Pete, appreciate it!
Opted for 9504 over HP1300 because 9504 is recommended in the 3135 tech document. I know ETA are happy for HP1300 to be used throughout the keyless works but I prefer to opt for grease and if I don’t have a tech document I would rather use grease.
Yes of course, regarding the reversing wheels, they’re different to the 3135; which were fully Teflon coated (or whatever the Chinese factory’s are using, I’m sure reading somewhere that it was to cause less friction idk) however on the 3235 they aren’t fully coated in that iconic red finish we all know. The reversing wheels are metal on metal, so I opted to lubricate with a smidge of HP1300, maybe I’m wrong…
Just managed to share the order in which the pictures are intended to be viewed, from my initial 3235 post, some of the clickpix links are incorrectly ordered.
Hey all,
as I mentioned in my last post, I'm focusing on rep related movements when posting on here, I am slowly running out of movements to service and show as a walkthrough... I hate the word guide, I don't think these should be used as a guide.
Anyhow, I have a NH35A on the bench today, I would always suggest that if someone is seeking to get a NHXX movement serviced, your probably better off replacing the movement as they're cheap enough.
But for the purpose of this post today, we're servicing one!
I'm stepping away from a big write up, they worked initially however I feel concise text on the images work better as you can read as you view the images.
Enjoy!
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture1.3ZGmAv]
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https://clickpix.org/image/Picture2.3ZGo81]
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https://clickpix.org/image/Picture3.3ZGaGK]
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as I mentioned in my last post, I'm focusing on rep related movements when posting on here, I am slowly running out of movements to service and show as a walkthrough... I hate the word guide, I don't think these should be used as a guide.
Anyhow, I have a NH35A on the bench today, I would always suggest that if someone is seeking to get a NHXX movement serviced, your probably better off replacing the movement as they're cheap enough.
But for the purpose of this post today, we're servicing one!
I'm stepping away from a big write up, they worked initially however I feel concise text on the images work better as you can read as you view the images.
Enjoy!
https://clickpix.org/image/Picture1.3ZGmAv]
[/urlhttps://clickpix.org/image/Picture2.3ZGo81]
[/urlhttps://clickpix.org/image/Picture3.3ZGaGK]
[/urlhttps://clickpix.org/image/Picture4.3ZGq7j]
[/urlhttps://clickpix.org/image/Picture5.3ZGYYI]
[/urlhttps://clickpix.org/image/Picture6.3ZG1VX]
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[/urlhttps://clickpix.org/image/Picture10.3ZG6pb]
[/urlhttps://clickpix.org/image/Picture11.3ZGtL5]
[/urlhttps://clickpix.org/image/Picture12.3ZG8Gp]
[/urlhttps://clickpix.org/image/Picture13.3ZGQ7t]
[/urlhttps://clickpix.org/image/Picture14.3ZGB8F]
[/urlhttps://clickpix.org/image/Picture15.3ZGp32]
[/urlhttps://clickpix.org/image/Picture16.3ZGCYE]
[/urlhttps://clickpix.org/image/Picture17.3ZGPwn]
[/urlHey all,
Today I have a 9015 on the bench, enjoyed this one but must admit there are some finicky elements to the 9015. Description of walkthrough is on the pictures to make it alot easier to follow.
I hope everyone enjoys!
Today I have a 9015 on the bench, enjoyed this one but must admit there are some finicky elements to the 9015. Description of walkthrough is on the pictures to make it alot easier to follow.
I hope everyone enjoys!
Fantastic as usual.
These pictures and guides are fantastic references- I hope there is some way that these do not get lost in any future site upgrade like what has happened in the past.
thanks again.
These pictures and guides are fantastic references- I hope there is some way that these do not get lost in any future site upgrade like what has happened in the past.
thanks again.