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Search for him on here using his username Tickleshoes and send him a PM. He is pretty busy doing a lot of builds, but he will tell you how long the wait is
 
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timnic54 said:
Updated NWBIG list

Audemars Piguet ROO Diver JF
Bvlgari Diagono Magnesium GF
Bell & Ross 03-92 ZF
Blancpain Fifty Fathoms Noob
Breitling Avenger GMT GF
Breitling SuperOcean Abyss
Breitling SuperOcean Heritage Black
Cartier Santos XL V6
Hublot Big Bang V6 SS
IWC 3777-01 ZF factory
IWC 3878 Spitfire v6f
IWC Big Pilot 5009-1 ZF factory
IWC Ingenieur
Montblanc Timewalker chrono Noob a7753
Omega Seamaster 300
Omega Seamaster 300 Spectre KW
Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean 600m 42 and 45mm (LMPO and CRPO)
Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean GMT 600m
Panerai 111 Noob V4
Pam 312 VSF
Rolex 114300 Grape and Grey dial JF
Rolex Yachtmaster Rhodium/ Blue Noob SA3135
Rolex Sub 16610 TC
Rolex Submariner Ceramic 116610 Noob V6s/V7
Rolex Sea Dweller 4000 BP
Rolex Sea Dweller Deepsea (DBlue) Noob V7
Sevenfriday P series (P1-1, P3-1), V series (V2-1) and M series
Tag Heuer Aquaracer 300
Tag Heuer Aquaracer Calibre 5
Tag Heuer Carrera calibre 1887 v6f
Tudor Blackbay Red
Tudor Ranger Heritage
Tudor Pelagos ZF
Zenith Type 20 extra special V6
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which Rolex Submariner Ceramic 116610 Noob V6s/V7 does this refer to and what movement? The black ceramic or hulk? and A2836 or SA3135?
 
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I think there is an inherent difference though between "Not worth buying in Gen" and a "Super Rep". A Super Rep is a measure of a replica watch's accuracy, whereas not worth buying in Gen implies a feeling or a value judgement. Something like a Noob V7 for me, is not worth buying in Gen. Are there inaccuracies, yes... however they are small and if they bother me, a couple hundred $ and I can get them fixed. It has the same feeling to me as the gen, 99% of the general public would never be able to tell, and it has a quality feel to it. That is completely different from a jeweler not being able to tell a VSF 382 bronzo with the P9000 is a rep. Another example would be my old H-Factory Breitling Avenger. It is slightly thicker than gen, has a slightly recessed DW, but anyone who stares at it for too long trying to tell if it is a rep will go blind from the reflection off of all those polished surfaces. Is it a super rep? Might be close, but I still wouldn't buy it in Gen because to me, they are not $4,000 differences.

I think we need to be careful about calling the list a super rep list, as this was started as a "not worth buying in gen list". I agree with @timnic54 in that precious metal watches are absolutely worth it. While I would agree that most super reps should be on the list, there are some that maybe aren't super reps by our exacting (or slightly anal) standards, but are so close in many ways that they feel the same on the wrist as the gen and once you own the rep, there is no reason to want the gen.

Maybe I am reading too much into this, but I think that is an important distinction. Owning a V7 Sub with a paint mod and a prof crystal, I would never buy the gen. I would, however buy a gen black ceramic 2-tone sub, or a bluesy, even though some of the reps may be good. I wouldn't buy a gen 16610lv either after owning the JF. The inaccuracies I couldn't deal with are fixed, (gen dw, service, gen reversing gears, crystal, modded rehaut), now I have no need for the gen, lol. It wasn't a super rep out of the box, but now it is at the point where my Rolex buddies refuse to believe it isn't a gen....

There are many watches that fall into that category I think. I have about $1,100 into that JF LV, but there are many that I have that have much less into them, and even if I spend $300 on some mods, in addition to the cost of the watch, it is still not worth buying in Gen. You could theoretically argue that the Noob CHS Explorer 2 is not worth buying in gen as well. Yes, the movement is a time bomb, but the rest of the watch is very very good, and for about $700 you can get a Yuki with a GMT module installed, then it is perfect, for about $975... much less than a $5,000 gen. So for that reason, to me, the Explorer 2 is not worth buying in gen.

See, I agree with @FastPaced as well, the noob v7 sub is not a super rep, however, the effort required to make it a super rep is minimal, and even going into it for $1500 or more, you have a watch that is way less to service, and a gen is simply not $8000 better, so to me it is not worth buying in gen.
 
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Jonj480 said:
I think there is an inherent difference though between "Not worth buying in Gen" and a "Super Rep". A Super Rep is a measure of a replica watch's accuracy, whereas not worth buying in Gen implies a feeling or a value judgement. Something like a Noob V7 for me, is not worth buying in Gen. Are there inaccuracies, yes... however they are small and if they bother me, a couple hundred $ and I can get them fixed. It has the same feeling to me as the gen, 99% of the general public would never be able to tell, and it has a quality feel to it. That is completely different from a jeweler not being able to tell a VSF 382 bronzo with the P9000 is a rep. Another example would be my old H-Factory Breitling Avenger. It is slightly thicker than gen, has a slightly recessed DW, but anyone who stares at it for too long trying to tell if it is a rep will go blind from the reflection off of all those polished surfaces. Is it a super rep? Might be close, but I still wouldn't buy it in Gen because to me, they are not $4,000 differences.

I think we need to be careful about calling the list a super rep list, as this was started as a "not worth buying in gen list". I agree with @timnic54 in that precious metal watches are absolutely worth it. While I would agree that most super reps should be on the list, there are some that maybe aren't super reps by our exacting (or slightly anal) standards, but are so close in many ways that they feel the same on the wrist as the gen and once you own the rep, there is no reason to want the gen.

Maybe I am reading too much into this, but I think that is an important distinction. Owning a V7 Sub with a paint mod and a prof crystal, I would never buy the gen. I would, however buy a gen black ceramic 2-tone sub, or a bluesy, even though some of the reps may be good. I wouldn't buy a gen 16610lv either after owning the JF. The inaccuracies I couldn't deal with are fixed, (gen dw, service, gen reversing gears, crystal, modded rehaut), now I have no need for the gen, lol. It wasn't a super rep out of the box, but now it is at the point where my Rolex buddies refuse to believe it isn't a gen....

There are many watches that fall into that category I think. I have about $1,100 into that JF LV, but there are many that I have that have much less into them, and even if I spend $300 on some mods, in addition to the cost of the watch, it is still not worth buying in Gen. You could theoretically argue that the Noob CHS Explorer 2 is not worth buying in gen as well. Yes, the movement is a time bomb, but the rest of the watch is very very good, and for about $700 you can get a Yuki with a GMT module installed, then it is perfect, for about $975... much less than a $5,000 gen. So for that reason, to me, the Explorer 2 is not worth buying in gen.

See, I agree with @FastPaced as well, the noob v7 sub is not a super rep, however, the effort required to make it a super rep is minimal, and even going into it for $1500 or more, you have a watch that is way less to service, and a gen is simply not $8000 better, so to me it is not worth buying in gen.
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I think you are right, Super Rep OTB amd NWBIG are 2 different things.
I don't think a Noob v7 is a Super Rep OTB, but I would never buy the Gen. Just Spongbob PPM and Gen Crystal, that is about $550 into it (plus the cost of the watch), now you have a Super Rep.
 
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Jonj480 said:
I think there is an inherent difference though between "Not worth buying in Gen" and a "Super Rep". A Super Rep is a measure of a replica watch's accuracy, whereas not worth buying in Gen implies a feeling or a value judgement. Something like a Noob V7 for me, is not worth buying in Gen. Are there inaccuracies, yes... however they are small and if they bother me, a couple hundred $ and I can get them fixed. It has the same feeling to me as the gen, 99% of the general public would never be able to tell, and it has a quality feel to it. That is completely different from a jeweler not being able to tell a VSF 382 bronzo with the P9000 is a rep. Another example would be my old H-Factory Breitling Avenger. It is slightly thicker than gen, has a slightly recessed DW, but anyone who stares at it for too long trying to tell if it is a rep will go blind from the reflection off of all those polished surfaces. Is it a super rep? Might be close, but I still wouldn't buy it in Gen because to me, they are not $4,000 differences.

I think we need to be careful about calling the list a super rep list, as this was started as a "not worth buying in gen list". I agree with @timnic54 in that precious metal watches are absolutely worth it. While I would agree that most super reps should be on the list, there are some that maybe aren't super reps by our exacting (or slightly anal) standards, but are so close in many ways that they feel the same on the wrist as the gen and once you own the rep, there is no reason to want the gen.

Maybe I am reading too much into this, but I think that is an important distinction. Owning a V7 Sub with a paint mod and a prof crystal, I would never buy the gen. I would, however buy a gen black ceramic 2-tone sub, or a bluesy, even though some of the reps may be good. I wouldn't buy a gen 16610lv either after owning the JF. The inaccuracies I couldn't deal with are fixed, (gen dw, service, gen reversing gears, crystal, modded rehaut), now I have no need for the gen, lol. It wasn't a super rep out of the box, but now it is at the point where my Rolex buddies refuse to believe it isn't a gen....

There are many watches that fall into that category I think. I have about $1,100 into that JF LV, but there are many that I have that have much less into them, and even if I spend $300 on some mods, in addition to the cost of the watch, it is still not worth buying in Gen. You could theoretically argue that the Noob CHS Explorer 2 is not worth buying in gen as well. Yes, the movement is a time bomb, but the rest of the watch is very very good, and for about $700 you can get a Yuki with a GMT module installed, then it is perfect, for about $975... much less than a $5,000 gen. So for that reason, to me, the Explorer 2 is not worth buying in gen.

See, I agree with @FastPaced as well, the noob v7 sub is not a super rep, however, the effort required to make it a super rep is minimal, and even going into it for $1500 or more, you have a watch that is way less to service, and a gen is simply not $8000 better, so to me it is not worth buying in gen.
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Jonj480, thank you for your input. I think your analysis is very helpful to noobs like myself. Hopefully, some of the veteran members of the forum generate a cumulative super rep list similar to this one.
 
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nexezz said:
Flaws on that piece, each square needs to have 18 cuts for the mega tapisserie, on the rep it has 11. It's impossible to see with the naked eye though. The font is correct but slightly larger than gen for text on the dial. The inner bezel markings are wrong, which is the biggest tell on that piece. Just highlighting the flaws, but it's an excellent watch for sure.

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Spot on

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timnic54 said:
The missing 7 cuts on the Tapisiere squares are such an obvious tell. When will they get these things right!

Only last night I was out to diner wearing my JF AP diver and I noticed the guy on the table opposite counting. Had him screwed though, kept moving my wist when he got to about 9. The AH went home still not sure if it was rep or Gen.
Wasn't there a guy on here who had a way of drawing the missing 7 lines in with a sharpie ?
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Lol [emoji106][emoji106]

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Omagad said:
THANKS, this may be useful but I'm not finding it. :eek:

EDIT ; Ok it wasn't on page 39.

Here you go :


List of watches NWBG
(last update 30.10.16)

1.Audemars Piguet ROO Diver (JF)
2.Bell & Ross 03-92 ZF
3.Blancpain Fifty Fathoms (Noob)
4.Breitling SuperOcean Abyss
5.Breitling SuperOcean Heritage Black
6.Cartier Santos XL
7.Hublot Big Bang V6 SS
8.IWC 3777-01 ZF factory
9.IWC 3878 Spitfire v6f
10.IWC Big Pilot 5009-1 ZF factory
11.IWC Ingenieur
12.Montblanc Timewalker chrono Noob a7753
13.Omega Seamaster 300
14.Omega Seamaster 300 Spectre KW
15.Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean 600m 42 and 45mm (LMPO and CRPO)
16.Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean GMT 600m
17.Panerai 111, 164, 292 and all PAM super reps from Ale’s guide
18.Rolex Yachtmaster Rhodium Noob SA3135
19.Rolex TC 16610
20.Rolex Submariner Ceramic 116610 Noob V6s/V7
21.Rolex Sea Dweller 4000 BP
22.Rolex Sea Dweller Deepsea (DBlue) Noob V7
23.Sevenfriday P series (P1-1, P3-1), V series (V2-1) and M series
24.Tag Heuer Aquaracer 300
25.Tag Heuer Aquaracer Calibre 5
26.Tag Heuer Carrera calibre 1887 v6f
27.Tudor Blackbay Red
28.Tudor Ranger Heritage
29.Tudor Pelagos ZF
30.Zenith Type 20 extra special
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This is the new more updated one from page 45

Updated NWBIG list
(19/06/2017)

Audemars Piguet ROO Diver JF
Bvlgari Diagono Magnesium GF
Bell & Ross 03-92 ZF
Blancpain Fifty Fathoms Noob
Breitling Avenger GMT GF
Breitling SuperOcean Abyss
Breitling SuperOcean Heritage Black
Cartier Santos XL V6
Hublot Big Bang V6 SS
IWC 3777-01 ZF factory
IWC 3878 Spitfire v6f
IWC Big Pilot 5009-1 ZF factory
IWC Ingenieur
Montblanc Timewalker chrono Noob a7753
Omega Seamaster 300
Omega Seamaster 300 Spectre KW
Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean 600m 42 and 45mm (LMPO and CRPO)
Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean GMT 600m
Panerai 111 Noob V4
Pam 312 VSF
Rolex 114300 Grape and Grey dial JF
Rolex Yachtmaster Rhodium/ Blue Noob SA3135
Rolex Sub 16610 TC
Rolex Submariner Ceramic 116610 Noob V6s/V7
Rolex Sea Dweller 4000 BP
Rolex Sea Dweller Deepsea (DBlue) Noob V7
Sevenfriday P series (P1-1, P3-1), V series (V2-1) and M series
Tag Heuer Aquaracer 300
Tag Heuer Aquaracer Calibre 5
Tag Heuer Carrera calibre 1887 v6f
Tudor Blackbay Red
Tudor Ranger Heritage
Tudor Pelagos ZF
Zenith Type 20 extra special V6

PAMs Number: 000, 005, 026, 111, 112, 104, 164, 176, 177, 217, 243, 029, 292, 297, 289, 318, 356, 364, 390, 127, 285, 312, 346, 359, 388, 411-420, 438, 504, 505, 508, 586, 087, 288, 380, 432-434

Credits to its rightful owners, I didn't come up with this list.
 
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