Noob Daytona vs ARF Daytona

[freediver]

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Thank you very much for your time !
About 4:11 he should mean the pinion holes

 

[ADT]

sorry, but the comparison was not between a gen and a noob ... the comparison was between an arf and a noob ...

 

[M Scott]

Thought I'd point out some key points in the comparison.
Gen on the left, Noob on the right.

Thanks for taking the time to translate that Video... Very helpful.


There is another Gen vs Noob Video with Black Dials... any chance that you could you translate some of this one too?

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDEwOD...a80f179942ff82

 

[ssouthall6]

ARF is min 13.2! From 6 noob I have, 12.6 is the max, 12.4 the min.
With the gasket mod it is easy to bring it to 12.3. Gen are 12.4-12.2.Not all are the same. Shaving the caseback on the noob will make no sense, it will get louder.


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Yep, no shaved caseback and mine is a shade over 12.3 with gen crystal and gasket


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[ssouthall6]

Too bad the Noob looks sub par compared to the ARF. The case and movement are great on the Noob. The bezel and dial and bracelet should be replaced. Especially the bezel looks cheap and wrong.

I thought that. Then I got the noob in my hand. I still replaced it with ARF but it isn't half as bad as it looks in blown up pictures


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[ssouthall6]

I was going to replace the dial on my V2 Noob with an ARF dial until I found out the ARF dial have rings that are thinner then the gen. The Noob V1 is too thick and the ARF is too thin. The V2.2 Noob rings is the same size as gen but the "O" is a bit off but not noticeable on the wrist. Also I read in another thread that the ARF dial is not as white as the Noob or gen.

So right now for me I'm keeping the Noob V2.2 dial and just going to change the bezel with an ARF. Also I save money by not buying a new ARF dial and having it modded to fit the Noob case

Don't believe everything you read. The subdial rings and shade of white on the ARF are correct for the model they repped. If my memory serves me correctly it was the 2017 maybe 2018 model. Rolex returned to thicker rings and a brighter white in 2019 which is correct on the noob v2.2. So both are right.

Regarding the dial, the ARF is still superior as you said due to the shadow on the O. The bezel is also unquestionably superior. But in hand it's not as bad as the blown up images suggest


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[eta-phi]

sorry, but the comparison was not between a gen and a noob ... the comparison was between an arf and a noob ...

Left is a Gen. He spends a few minutes talking about it, and even offering to sell the one in his hand, but saying he's not sure how long they'll have it since they fly off the shelves.

 

[M Scott]

Don't believe everything you read. The subdial rings and shade of white on the ARF are correct for the model they repped. If my memory serves me correctly it was the 2017 maybe 2018 model. Rolex returned to thicker rings and a brighter white in 2019 which is correct on the noob v2.2. So both are right.

Except that the Genuine Rolex 116500 dials, both Black and White have not changed since they were introduced in 2016.

The ARF Sub-dials on the White 116500 are slightly thinner than Gen because ARF incorrectly made all of their Daytona Sub-dials the same thickness.
The Black Dial ARF 116500 Sub-dials are slightly thicker than Gen for the same reason.

Right click and open image in a new tab to see these ARF pictures larger...

 

[eta-phi]

Thanks for taking the time to translate that Video... Very helpful.


There is another Gen vs Noob Video with Black Dials... any chance that you could you translate some of this one too?

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDEwODM5NzU5Mg==.html?sharekey=b1ff895d47e2838c60da80f179942ff82

Fixed the link.

Left Gen (NOT ARF), right Noob 904L. The Gen is a used watch.

1:44: Bezel. Noob lettering is whiter than the Gen (Note: same as with white). However, Gen appears to have more clarity in the indicators. If you don't directly compare them, you won't be able to pick it out.

2:41: Bezel ceramic. From this angle, you can see that the reflectivity and reflected color is slightly different. Again, only noticeable when side by side.

3:02: Bezel lettering. Depth of the lettering is the same. Noob lettering color is different, and is whiter than the Gen. Even though the Gen is an old watch, it still appears to be slightly "cleaner" than the Noob.

3:32: Subdial thickness. Going on about how people are saying the subdials are fat, but in reality it's the same thickness.

4:04: Subdial border reflectivity. Clear difference in reflectivity. Gen has slight reflectivity, but the Noob reflects too much and is much brighter than the Gen. This is the largest difference between the Gen and Noob faces.

4:34: Moving the watch around to show you that the Gen slightly reflects, but the Noob reflects too much.

5:00: Rolex logo. A small difference. The Gen printing looks more 3D, "cleaner", and also slightly whiter. Noob printing is darker, giving off an overall feeling of being blurrier. Size of printing is all the same.

6:03: Center of the hands? The Gen has a small hole in the middle. Bumps out a little.

6:31: From this angle, you can see that the center of the hands looks three-dimensional.

6:39: On the Noob, they're not as "clean", and while there's a small bump too, overall it appears less three-dimensional and flatter than Gen. It doesn't give off the feeling of fine-machining and the extremely fine 3D workmanship of the Gen. However, at normal scales, you won't notice it at all. The overall sizes and shapes are the same.

7:18: He's giving you a frame where you can take a screenshot and compare left and right. The difference is quite clear at 7:24. (My note: Seems like the Noob hands are directly punched out, while the Gen hands have nice smooth edges and fine machining.)

8:06: Indicators. The Gen is extremely clean and well-made, regardless of angle.

8:42: Pushers. Same size.

9:00: Bracelet. Same 904L. The Gen is an old watch so you can see it also gets scuffs on it. The central portion isn't as bright already.

9:11: Side. The Gen should be bright and shiny as well, but since it's an old watch, it appears a little duller now through wear.

9:22: The side of the Gen also has a small dent and scratches. "Even the Gen is not God." However, he notes that even in this condition, this watch can still fetch ~20,000 USD.

9:55: Rolex logo. Noob is slightly larger than Gen. A lot of nitpicking comparisons between bracelets after this. Also shows some wear on the Gen after use.

12:47: Edges of the Gen are more beveled. The Noob feels sharper when running your hands across it.

14:00: Side by side, it's visible that the Noob is slightly thicker than the Gen.

14:14: The back of the Gen does not rise out very far.

14:18: The Noob has a visible line that comes out, resulting in the thickness difference.

14:49: Pointing out this difference in the backplate.

15:20: Logo on button. Gen looks very solid and clear. Noob does not look as sharp. The three dots on the Noob are not as distinct and clear as on the Gen. Overall workmanship differences.

15:58: Decides to talk about the bezel again. The depth of the numbering on the Gen is not that deep. The Noob is the same. Some people have suggested that the Noob should be cut deeper, but in actuality, the Gen is also not deep. The only difference is that the overall quality of the Gen seems to be generally better.

16:30: Feeling when winding and setting time. Same between Gen and Noob.

17:44: Saying how it's a good rep, and summarizing the largest differences. First, the ceramic bezel. Second, subdial reflectivity, although the sizes are the same. Third, the three-dimensionality of the hands. Fourth, Noob is 0.5 mm thicker than the Gen (due to the backplate sticking out a little).

 

[M Scott]

Fixed the link.

Left Gen (NOT ARF), right Noob 904L. The Gen is a used watch.

1:44: Bezel. Noob lettering is whiter than the Gen (Note: same as with white). However, Gen appears to have more clarity in the indicators. If you don't directly compare them, you won't be able to pick it out.........................

17:44: Saying how it's a good rep, and summarizing the largest differences. First, the ceramic bezel. Second, subdial reflectivity, although the sizes are the same. Third, the three-dimensionality of the hands. Fourth, Noob is 0.5 mm thicker than the Gen (due to the backplate sticking out a little).

Wow, Thanks for stepping up and taking all the time to translate this Video along with the other one for the White dials before.

You have helped confirm many points that have been discussed on this forum and highlighted some details that are rarely discussed, like the hands.
Again, your work is much appreciated!

 

[zkrollex]

Link to two Black Daytona's vid of M Scott
No Commercials and Chinese squiggles.
...and option for everyone to download.

[video]https://files.fm/u/psjp8m7k[/video]

 

[Alexccmeister]

4:11: Something about the central portion of the subdial hands; Gen has solid portions, Noob has hollow portions. Not visible on the hand. (Note: I can't quite see the difference here.)

Possibly talking about the hand 's top of the central pinion being solid while the rep has a hole through it.

I can't catch all the Mandarin he is saying but agrees with what he is pointing out.

 

[Alexccmeister]

16:30: Feeling when winding and setting time. Same between Gen and Noob.

I wonder if the Gen will get harder to wind as you turn the crown many times. My Noob does that. My Gen GMT II, I can turn the crown as many turn as I like and it will have the same feel. No tightening of the crown.

 

[zkrollex]

Finally,without a link...
Very nice 19.56 min video,but again no chrono demo...

 

[zkrollex]

JF vs ARF - thick but with chrono and slim with no such...

 

[M Scott]

JF vs ARF - thick but with chrono and slim with no such...

Nice Video of a White 116500 ARF... the JF, not so much.

 

[ssouthall6]

Except that the Genuine Rolex 116500 dials, both Black and White have not changed since they were introduced in 2016.

The ARF Sub-dials on the White 116500 are slightly thinner than Gen because ARF incorrectly made all of their Daytona Sub-dials the same thickness.
The Black Dial ARF 116500 Sub-dials are slightly thicker than Gen for the same reason.

Right click and open image in a new tab to see these ARF pictures larger...

Mate, you and I did a lot of research on those models, both did comprehensive analysis and you took it to a new level.

However, having done more 'in the field' research since, I am 100% positive there have been variations in this dial. I know a guy in the UK here who owns THREE ceramic tonas, two white dial (2018,2019) and one black. Having seen them side by side there is unquestionably a difference in the two white dials, not necessarily in the subdial thickness but perhaps the finish of the subdial outer ring giving the perception. Whether it is down to perception, production tolerance, milieu, I don't know, but these were both unequivocally gens.

I've also seen the red DAYTONA on a 2016 model with a marginally different font!

I wish I could have introduced you to be honest!!

 

[Tschacko]

Wow wow, calm down guys you both are experts that helped us a lot.
Don’t ruin that on who is more right.

However before I worry about the shade of my Rolex O

I would worry about the Noobs SEL fit and rounding on the Endlinks. ARF SEL is clearly better but does not fit the Noob Lugs.

Look here:

 

[Bobi01]

I think this is not visible under eye... i saw gen rolex daytonas with this rounded corners..not big deal

 

[ssouthall6]

Wow wow, calm down guys you both are experts that helped us a lot.
Don’t ruin that on who is more right.

However before I worry about the shade of my Rolex O

I would worry about the Noobs SEL fit and rounding on the Endlinks. ARF SEL is clearly better but does not fit the Noob Lugs.

Look here:

Haha don't worry, I love M Scott's work and I'm not questioning it for one minute.

But I am pretty certain that the laquer around the subdial may have optically changed the look of the 2018 version.

Like you said, either way it doesn't matter. And I think M Scott and I both agree that there are more important things to evaluate than the microns of difference in perceived thickness of the subdial


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