New PPF 5712 with PP240 Super Clone.....

[grillbrill]

Yeah bro I know.. just asking this particular thing because I already have had 3 of PPF and the Power Reserve indicator was not able to reset completely to zero...

Mine isn't either.

 

[solexz]

Yeah bro I know.. just asking this particular thing because I already have had 3 of PPF and the Power Reserve indicator was not able to reset completely to zero...

ah totally misunderstood what you meant, apologies. Hard to say 100%, some have the issue, some don't mine goes all the way down but I know many that don't

 

[Neo_7]

ah totally misunderstood what you meant, apologies. Hard to say 100%, some have the issue, some don't mine goes all the way down but I know many that don't

Ooookkk ...cheers bro just to know ... but maybe we have to wait V6 Ahahahah

 

[lolex]

Quick question, PPF V2 bracelet is compatible with V1 right? Thanks in advanced.

 

[Teamjlf]

Yeah bro I know.. just asking this particular thing because I already have had 3 of PPF and the Power Reserve indicator was not able to reset completely to zero...

Just of our curiosity, do you manually wind the watch at all, if you do have you unintentionally overwound it ? ( as in kept winding it after the PR was on full ). My rep IWC Portugieser PR had a similar issue and was due to overwinding. It somehow sorted itself out over time and now it seems to go back down to the red empty zone as the PR runs down.

 

[lolex]

no gen has a lume plot that’s not square.

The issue with the v1 PPf if that’s what you are referring to, is the layout of the dial is not correct. (for exampl, the distance between the subdials is to big)

Can highlight the sub dial spacing differences in this V1? thanks

 

[grillbrill]

Can highlight the sub dial spacing differences in this V1? thanks

You can see it with the naked eye. Just put the pics of v1 and v2 together side by side.

 

[Neo_7]

Just of our curiosity, do you manually wind the watch at all, if you do have you unintentionally overwound it ? ( as in kept winding it after the PR was on full ). My rep IWC Portugieser PR had a similar issue and was due to overwinding. It somehow sorted itself out over time and now it seems to go back down to the red empty zone as the PR runs down.

Yes probably it is that issue.. overwinding is not a good idea with PR indicators .. but problem is if you don’t wind this watch …it will loose time .. movement is not very reliable..

 

[Teamjlf]

Yes probably it is that issue.. overwinding is not a good idea with PR indicators .. but problem is if you don’t wind this watch …it will loose time .. movement is not very reliable..

So essentially if you only wind it to max PR level you’re saying you don’t get the full 40+ hours PR, right ? Meaning if you leave it unworn for less than 40 hours she just does and stops. I’m guessing if you just wear it there are no issues , it winds enough to keep it going on the wrist. Sounds like you either sacrifice the PR function for full PR or just wind it up til it ticks and then just wear it regularly enough so that it doesn’t stop ( daily wear with idle time off the wrist < 20 hours )

 

[Reaps]

So essentially if you only wind it to max PR level you’re saying you don’t get the full 40+ hours PR, right ? Meaning if you leave it unworn for less than 40 hours she just does and stops. I’m guessing if you just wear it there are no issues , it winds enough to keep it going on the wrist. Sounds like you either sacrifice the PR function for full PR or just wind it up til it ticks and then just wear it regularly enough so that it doesn’t stop ( daily wear with idle time off the wrist < 20 hours )

I've had my 5712 for 6 months and it was serviced as well. This is basically my list of complaints for the movement :

- Weak/light rotor that will keep the watch running but won't advance (I've tested this, the PR will not advance, the rotor is too weak). When it reaches 0 PR it will still run but the rotor cannot charge the watch.

- One of the gears in the keyless work isnt case hardened or hardened properly so it will eventually fail - I already feel this that my 5712 is a little grittier to set time and wind over the last 6 months, I have some suspicion that the gear is already wearing out and shavings/bits are causing this grittiness
- Loose/jumping hands that jump a little

 

[Reaps]

I timed the PR and it does keep 48hrs of power. But me wearing it and not wearing it doesnt change the PR which tells me the rotor doesn't really charge the watch.

If I shake the watch from 0 then the watch will run, showing the rotor/mechanism isnt broken, it's just too light/weak

 

[Reaps]

All in all it's a shame. I wear it twice a month but I am always afraid it'll break. And everytime I set the time or wind it I just think its gonna explode sooner or later.

If my current 5712 breaks I won't get a new one until the movement is stabilized.

 

[Neo_7]

So essentially if you only wind it to max PR level you’re saying you don’t get the full 40+ hours PR, right ? Meaning if you leave it unworn for less than 40 hours she just does and stops. I’m guessing if you just wear it there are no issues , it winds enough to keep it going on the wrist. Sounds like you either sacrifice the PR function for full PR or just wind it up til it ticks and then just wear it regularly enough so that it doesn’t stop ( daily wear with idle time off the wrist < 20 hours )

Exactly bro.. power reserve without winding it very well.. is inconsistent.

 

[bertieng]

After reading over hundred pages of comments on this piece I just kept feeling this is absolutely absurd for some many folks spending thousands of dollars for the modding, and eventually it will possibly end up as a piece junk. This movement is just simply too delicated to come up with a reliable clone. It is bound to fail sometime as time goes by.

 

[Reaps]

After reading over hundred pages of comments on this piece I just kept feeling this is absolutely absurd for some many folks spending thousands of dollars for the modding, and eventually it will possibly end up as a piece junk. This movement is just simply too delicated to come up with a reliable clone. It is bound to fail sometime as time goes by.

Personally I think modding it is just for personal enjoyment. But if you look for gen replication accuracy it isnt necessary other than the moonphase mod. I showed this 5712 to 2 gen owners and both thought I had gotten a real one, until I told them to look at the moonphase (and even then they just assumed it was an older model).

And as much as we get complaints about the engraving of movement is, they didnt even notice - because stuff like that is really hard to see.

 

[lolex]

Personally I think modding it is just for personal enjoyment. But if you look for gen replication accuracy it isnt necessary other than the moonphase mod. I showed this 5712 to 2 gen owners and both thought I had gotten a real one, until I told them to look at the moonphase (and even then they just assumed it was an older model).

And as much as we get complaints about the engraving of movement is, they didnt even notice - because stuff like that is really hard to see.

Agreed …but if the movement is like a timebomb ala those days IWC Portuguesier sec@6 , then we will always have the notion in our head that is a matter of time before it goes dead. That will take away some of the enjoyment and even if service Im not sure how long would it last before it goes K.O again.

 

[RollyAP]

Agreed …but if the movement is like a timebomb ala those days IWC Portuguesier sec@6 , then we will always have the notion in our head that is a matter of time before it goes dead. That will take away some of the enjoyment and even if service Im not sure how long would it last before it goes K.O again.

I wonder if the 240 movement with the free sprung balance wheels is any more reliable? Or even less reliable?

 

[GraviTime]

I've had my 5712 for 6 months and it was serviced as well. This is basically my list of complaints for the movement :

- Weak/light rotor that will keep the watch running but won't advance (I've tested this, the PR will not advance, the rotor is too weak). When it reaches 0 PR it will still run but the rotor cannot charge the watch.

- One of the gears in the keyless work isnt case hardened or hardened properly so it will eventually fail - I already feel this that my 5712 is a little grittier to set time and wind over the last 6 months, I have some suspicion that the gear is already wearing out and shavings/bits are causing this grittiness
- Loose/jumping hands that jump a little

Adding a data point... had mine a month and it's being repaired because I was slowly and then completely unable to manually wind with the keyless anymore. My watch winder, set to continuous turn, was also unable to advance the PR meter or wind the watch. Lovely watch, but high maintenance.

 

[zinduna]

I've had a V2 for 15 months. It's on a winder when not worn and I wind it daily to keep it powered up. I've had no issue with the keyless, movement, jumping hands or anything else. If I have a complaint it's that it loses a few seconds a day but that's just an issue with regulating. For me this movement is much better than the Hangzhou 5000a movement in the V1.

 

[Mark1937]

none of you think that the stock PPF hands are better than the white and a little big SW?