May I inquire the Connoisseurs please: 15400 or 15202 ?

[legend]

Agree totally,

The 15202 is classic but the 15400 is an evolutionary progression, as is the 15500.

Having 15202 and 15400 would not be redundant if you are an AP lover. The look and feel is quite different. 15202 is more of a dress watch while the 15400 is decidedly a sport watch. A 15400 and 15500 would be more redundant.

I feel the 15202 XF is leagues beyond what was previously available but I might wait personally.

The 15400 ZF is almost excellent as is (I have minor complaints about the bracelet finishing).

For me having a more refined 15202 and a decent 15500 rep would be an ideal combination. I’d love to own a gen 15202 if I could, and I might own a gen 15500 some day. The 15400 ZF makes it probably makes gen ownership less exciting— sorry AP, but that’s why you had to do what you did with the 15500. You saw this day coming just like the rest of us.

It may be sacrilegious to say so, but I think that next to the caliber 4302 used in the 15500 and even the 3120 used in the 15400, the 15202 movement feels a little outdated, if you look at how the date is set in the 15202. I do agree that the 15202 makes a better dress watch than any other Royal Oak model based on its thickness and overall elegance.
And yes, the 15400 has been very well repped, and with the diminishing visual distance between the gen and rep, one will need to carefully consider purchasing the 15400 if it is meant to be worn only for visual admiration and satisfaction.

 

[timeistight]

The 15400 is a BIG watch, like someone earlier stated it's a sports watch. 15202 is more true to history/Genta design legacy, it's made to be like a modern RO "Jumbo" (ref 5402 I believe). 15202 is by no means a small watch either. The original "Jumbo" from the 70s was considered a big watch when it was released. 15202 wears big because of integrated bracelet, the lug to lug is 49mm which is close to Bettarini cased PAMs (51-53mm, like PAM 111 etc) which many find hard to wear on average sized wrists.

Of course trends change over time, 1930-60s mens watches were like 30-35mm. Just speculating here, but I have a feeling larger watches is still more in style in the US for some reason. In EU the trends seems to move towards smaller/more classical sizes.

Obiously it all boils down to personal preference. For my 6,7 inch wrists I think the sweet spot for APs is around 36mm (for example 15450 - 37mm). Lots of ppl seem to think 36-37mm RO's are small (often without having tried them on), and I can guarantee they are not (still 47mm lug to lug).

For reference, a 6 digit ref Datejust (that wears bigger than older datejusts) has 44mm lug to lug and it wears just perfect for average sized wrists.

I think you should go for the 15202 if the choices are 15202/15400, as 15400 tends to look kind of ridiculous (no offence) on most people with several millimeters "overhang" outside the wrist. Don't know about the quality of the older 15450 reps though, I guess newer 15202/15400 is a lot better in that regard. If not, a 15450 could be an option.

 

[fire007]

timeistight legend Jurgenk Phantomtech


thanks so much guys , that is serious food for thoughts you gave me... along with a necessity for me to have a serious study AP RO heritage

This 15202 is a pureblood : a sleek design, character and personality that is lacking with both the 15400 and his newest iteration.

For me the 15202 embodies this infamous vintage Royal Oak ads:

"It Takes More Than Money to Wear a Royal Oak"

Yup... Sold...

​​​​​​​Cheers

 

[chowychow]

I will say go for the 15202. I sold the 15400 as its a big watch on the wrist as the lugs don't taper down as far compared to a Nautilus bracelet.
The beauty I feel on the 15202 is the lack of second hands and the thin case profile + it has the more original look.

 

[fire007]

I will say go for the 15202. I sold the 15400 as its a big watch on the wrist as the lugs don't taper down as far compared to a Nautilus bracelet.
The beauty I feel on the 15202 is the lack of second hands and the thin case profile + it has the more original look.

Thanks for ur insights, yup I am sold on it. Cheers

 

[BuckBrown]

It will fit.

Thanks. Puretime messaged me and said it might be a little tight though

 

[Phantomtech]

Thanks for ur insights, yup I am sold on it. Cheers

Some shots from this morning to confirm your decision

 

[mskwatch]

I had multiple 15400 during the last years, in fact the 15400 was my first rep (TF version). I feel like I am ready to own a 15202
Will the 15202 take the place of the 15400? Probably, but I am not 100% sure, they are still two different watches for me

 

[EkaSN]

Is it gen?

 

[fire007]

Is it gen?

follow the thread u will get ur answer...

 

[fire007]

I had multiple 15400 during the last years, in fact the 15400 was my first rep (TF version). I feel like I am ready to own a 15202
Will the 15202 take the place of the 15400? Probably, but I am not 100% sure, they are still two different watches for me

thanks for ur insights.

 

[KSwatches]

Is it that bad ?

I am a seller and have no bias.

Look at the above pics. Lume mismatch is evident (even at that resolution).


In real life (our door lighting) the mismatch is more apparent and simply looks ugly to my eyes.

I don’t care about what others see on my wrist but when I look at my watch on my wrist, I personally don’t want to see green hour markers vs white hands.



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[KSwatches]

I’ve zoom in to demonstrate.

However, In real life it’s even easier to see (without zooming in and at normal wrist distance) that the hands are white whilst the hour markers are green .....particularly in daylight.

Different things bother different people. I could care less for the font for whatever not being 100% as per the gen pics people google. But Mismatching lume is a deal breaker for me personally.


White hands vs green hour markers...yuk!

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[Watch-er]

Great discussion comparing the two. It has been a while since I have handled a 15400 (rep or gen), but curious to how people think it wears (length wise / lug to lug) compared to the diver, which measures 42mm? Does the rubber strap help fitment vs the 15400 bracelet?

 

[Tigerdragon]

I love the 15202 but i hate the color of the dial (XF version) then i bought the 15400 ZF version and holy shit the color is just unbelievable good.

 

[roflwaffles]

Honestly, if I didn't know APs were supposed to have all white lumes, I would be fine with XF. The Nautiluses have mismatched lumes as well. But since I do have a 15450 and can see how good it looks with all white, the green lume would bother me.

 

[Mr.Swackhammer]

I love the 15202 but i hate the color of the dial (XF version) then i bought the 15400 ZF version and holy shit the color is just unbelievable good.

Blue? Any wrist pictures to enjoy this watch even more?

 

[Tigerdragon]

Yeah blue dial:

Hard to make pictures the dial is so vibrant and dynamic

 

[felocan]

15202 my choice.

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[jsbaker88]

Having owned both I definitely prefer the 15202 but have to say the lume is a bug bear in certain angles / lighting. If you’ve got concerns about it before pulling the trigger, don’t go for it as they won’t go away. Re-lume however, bingo