• Tired of adverts on RWI? - Subscribe by clicking HERE and PMing Trailboss for instructions and they will magically go away!

Material quality in popular rep factories as a health concern?

Jadamannen

Do not accept unsolicited offers
25/7/24
9
8
3
Has anyone owned a watch from CF and worn it for an extended period of time?

Seems to me after looking through some WTS posts in the forum etc that the steel on the case, bezel and the bracelet (jubilee especially) scratches and peels off easily leaving it with a very worn look with not that much use. Practically replacing the parts would more or less solve the problem but that is only the economical part of it.

All the rep watches claim to be made with 900 rating steel, and that I think we can say with certainty that it is not. The question is, considering how fast it wears off, is there any reason for concern.
In general: High-Quality Steel: Offers better scratch resistance, minimal peeling, and superior corrosion resistance due to a stable oxide layer.
And low-quality steel is more susceptible to wear, peeling, and corrosion, often relying on coatings that degrade over time.
The problem with this are the health concerns.
All of the rep factories are in china and while in EU and US there are strict regulations for the manufacturing process to avoid these problems, some parts of china, and especially factories like these are not under any strict control so can we just trust they are maintaining our safety just by goodwill?
There are some major concerns with lead, cadmium, mercury etc. which are highly toxic materials that do not cause any noticeable effects acutely but can cause cancer and serious disease if exposed to it unknowingly. The fact that some of the metals might be coated with low cost procedures in can also be dangerous when those coatings peel off and get in touch with the environment around us. Low quality steel also contains less nickel but releases wag more, continuous exposure will cause allergies to it over time.

I suppose these concerns are something we have to deal with, but we should take the initiative to make sure the materials are tested.

Back to the point. If this is more specific to certain factories and if VSF for example are using better and safer materials should that not be one of the most important criterias when we decide on what rep factories are “the best”?

I’m curious to know if anyone has any input on this.
 
  • Like
Reactions: flopaklopp

Jadamannen

Do not accept unsolicited offers
25/7/24
9
8
3
I would rather be concerned with what is in highly processed industrial food…
I don’t think that is comparable. You could smoke a pack of cigarettes and eat McDonald’s every day for 50 years and still not increase the risk of cancer more than what exposure to toxic chemicals can do in a minute, week, month, etc.
Everything we enjoy is toxic to us, I agree. But to veeery differing degrees.
 

Feefo

CEO, Vaselume (TM) Corporation
Staff member
Moderator Sales
Certified
8/5/22
19,998
52,603
113
EU
You're mislead by the eagerness of posting something significant, which I'm afraid it is not. You should be more worried by the clothes you or your girlfriend are buying on shein.
 

Karbon74

Pika Factory
Patron
Certified
5/5/23
12,031
25,050
113
EU - Kalos Region
OP is carrying of the usual stereotype about China and bad quality.

Actually, China’s regulations are more stringent than USA’s (but less than EU)

China is also the world’s factory. They will produce to whatever specs and price the retailer wants.

Finally, the reps are primarily produced for the domestic market. The reps in circulation probably count in billions.
Exports make a small portion. If such a business had adverse health effects on the population, it would have been ruthlessly stamped out.
 

p0pperini

Uses Too Many Big Words
Staff member
Global Moderator
Gold Patron
Certified
29/1/19
9,669
35,688
113
UK
All the rep watches claim to be made with 900 rating steel, and that I think we can say with certainty that it is not.
Care to share the in-depth analysis you've done to support this "certainty"?

Or are you just making wild assumptions based on misreading, selective reading, and silly prejudice?

Has anyone owned a watch from CF and worn it for an extended period of time? ...

the steel on the case, bezel and the bracelet (jubilee especially) scratches and peels off easily leaving it with a very worn look with not that much use.

Yes, I've got a whole raft of both 316 and 904 stainless watches, several from CF, and have never seen any of them "peel off".

All steel scratches. Stainless steel isn't indestructible steel.
 

Jadamannen

Do not accept unsolicited offers
25/7/24
9
8
3
Care to share the in-depth analysis you've done to support this "certainty"?

Or are you just making wild assumptions based on misreading, selective reading, and silly prejudice?





Yes, I've got a whole raft of both 316 and 904 stainless watches, several from CF, and have never seen any of them "peel off".

All steel scratches. Stainless steel isn't indestructible steel.
Thanks for chiming in.
This is simply by browsing forums and web shops and I have yet to see any watch that is not marketed as 904L steel, similar to rolex steel.
I am aware of course of prejudice, and I am not posting it to be judgemental. I am simply trying to learn and hear other peoples take on the matter as I know many players in the community have years of experience with this. So absolutely there is no prejudice and I am not basing my concern on stereotypes. Every game has good and bad players.

If there is one thing that is for sure, even with regulations that are in place, major corporations often do not care what happens to the consumer. And that is not just China but counts for all major corporations in the world market. A good example being the pharmaceutical market, many companies use cheaper additives in medications that are harmful to the consumer by finding loopholes in the regulations and providing disclaimers on "safe use", and benefit in the millions from it. Cigarettes, alcohol, pesticides, perfumes/cosmetics etc. etc. are all legal. Products are crossing borders without control and the uneven distribution of wealth between countries + the internet is making it into a huge industry. Also many of us have kids in the house that will eat anything and ingestion of these materials are much more harmful than skin absorption.

The OECD/EUIPO published a major report with statistics in 2022:




Link to the full article here: https://euipo.europa.eu/tunnel-web/...rous-fakes-study/dangerous-fakes_study_en.pdf

So the main point of concern regarding counterfeit watches is by my conclusion:
Watch bands, the materials used in the processing, quality of steel manufacturing and especially the parts that are in continuous contact with our wrists.
Of most concern, and the most commonly known chemicals that could be harmful are: lead, cadmium, nickel, mercury and PVC.

This subject is not well covered in these guidelines on the forum, and the posts regarding this are very outdated by now. I am referring to this one, from 2011 and not updated since 2017:

So it is still confusing to me what is a tell tale sign of bad materials being used. Is wear and tear, low corrosion resistance, lack of polishing, plated or layered materials to achieve something that looks like gold, diamonds etc. ? I dont know.
So it would be nice if we could know what factories can be trusted, and which can not (also considering that for example Clean factory also has counterfeits of Clean factory). And to have some simple guidelines on how to get it tested and what mistakes to avoid for new buyers.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: zinduna

Karbon74

Pika Factory
Patron
Certified
5/5/23
12,031
25,050
113
EU - Kalos Region
That’s long winded to basically say :
-Buy from the TDs so you are sure to get the factory you paid for
-wash the bracelet and watch before wearing it…
 
  • Love
Reactions: Dave2302

Jadamannen

Do not accept unsolicited offers
25/7/24
9
8
3
So you would say all the known high-tier factories are good? I was planning on ordering from either Clean, VSF or GMF. Just seems the ones with jubilee bracelet and fluted bezzles are not holding up too well in the long term.
 

asusundevils1971

Your Parents Warned You To Stay Away From Me.
Supporter
Top Poster Of Month
23/2/23
24,398
42,552
113
In Your Head
Here is a link that talks about the pros and cons of stainless steel jewellery.

If you are really concerned about what grade of stainless steel being used then choose a watch that is made with 316 stainless. It's a food grade stainless and also a medical grade stainless.
 

Karbon74

Pika Factory
Patron
Certified
5/5/23
12,031
25,050
113
EU - Kalos Region
So you would say all the known high-tier factories are good? I was planning on ordering from either Clean, VSF or GMF. Just seems the ones with jubilee bracelet and fluted bezzles are not holding up too well in the long term.

Truth is that you are buying a 400-500€ watch, and a counterfeit to boot….it’s not like you are making a life purchase of a mid five figure luxury watch

Most people here buy 5 or more within the year of the first one, and there is a lot of flipping going on. Also, quite a few members are able to repair stuff…

So, stop over thinking this. 🤗

500€ is what I would usually leave at dinner time in a restaurant. Or daily out of pocket expenses during a holiday
 

P..DR..D

Legendary Member
Staff member
Moderator Sales
Certified
12/1/21
25,057
27,864
113
Éire
...
500€ is what I would usually leave at dinner time in a restaurant. Or daily out of pocket expenses during a holiday
Can I go on holidays with you next year, or a restaurant, or a restaurant, on holidays ;)

Must be the sun, or some lunar sh!t, because there seems to be an abundance of odd threads lately, that make me instantly think:

Dave Chapelle GIF by MOODMAN