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YellowFin

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Developing a copy of a movement costs several hundred thousand of dollars and the factory that wants to make it, as collateral, needs to buy upfront thousand of them...On a side note, the forum represents a tiny fractions of the rep factories sales

Pulling off a movement with the right subdial positions and so on shouldn't be that hard. The movement is anyway hidden under a metal case back, so there's no need to make it look like the real thing. Given that this is one of the most sold mechanical watches on this planet, I'm surprised no factory has done it yet...
 

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And you're getting these sales data from....?

The exact ranking at Chronext and Chrono24 varies a little year by year, but it's always in the Top 10. I'd argue that the Speedy and Seamaster Professional are to Omega what the Sub and Datejust are for Rolex.

https://www.chronext.co.uk/journal/...:-here-are-our-10-best-selling-luxury-watches

https://www.chronext.com/journal/stories/the-top-ten-best-selling-watches-at-chronext-in-2017

https://www.chrono24.com/magazine/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/RZ_IG_watchwatches2016-72dpi-X_V3.png
 

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The exact ranking at Chronext and Chrono24 varies a little year by year, but it's always in the Top 10. I'd argue that the Speedy and Seamaster Professional are to Omega what the Sub and Datejust are for Rolex.

https://www.chronext.co.uk/journal/...:-here-are-our-10-best-selling-luxury-watches

https://www.chronext.com/journal/stories/the-top-ten-best-selling-watches-at-chronext-in-2017

https://www.chrono24.com/magazine/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/RZ_IG_watchwatches2016-72dpi-X_V3.png

It has been discussed here on the forum that coping and manufacturing a complex/chrono movement costs hundred of thousand dollars (info coming from vetted members).

The speedmaster moonwatch being a relatively cheap watch (3k€ second hand) I don't see why a Chinese factory would be pouring that much money into it. The rep price ratio vs gen wouldn't make sense.

But please prove me wrong...
 
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It has been discussed here on the forum that coping and manufacturing a complex/chrono movement costs hundred of thousand dollars (info coming from vetted members).

The speedmaster moonwatch being a relatively cheap watch (3k€ second hand) I don't see why a Chinese factory would be pouring that much money into it. The rep price ratio vs gen wouldn't make sense.

But please prove me wrong...

Understood, agreed and no need to prove you wrong. As I said before: "The movement is anyway hidden under a metal case back, so there's no need to make it look like the real thing.". Any Chrono movement will do as long as it matches the correct subdial positions. I personally couldn't care less if they rep it as it looks too small on my wrist, but I truly believe the market potential is huge. Besides, everything apart from the movement is not that expensive: no ceramic case or bezel, no sapphire crystal, no polished/brushed metal hands or markers, not even a datewheel. Piece of cake, if you look what level of reps we see today...
 
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It's the same problem discussed every couple of pages with demand in China, these reps are made for the Chinese market. If Omega markets the speedmaster widely to the Chinese market more people would want it, it will encourage better reps.

Until then they have no reason to make a watch that won't sell in large numbers domestically. At the end of the day the Speedmaster will be the watch fanatics watch of choice.

Reps are a business decision, not a passion project.

There are a lot of interesting case studies out there on luxury watch market in China and how it's different to the rest of the world. The accumulation of wealth over the last 50 years of economic boom in China. The introduction of Rolex in China, the history and it's placement as status symbols domestically thorough it's marketing strategies.

Advertising is also very different to how we have it in our part of the world. Media has heavier control from the Chinese government so brands have very different marketing approaches.

Unfortunately Omega has never made as big of a dent in China compared to Rolex or Patek. Which is why you see multiple factories repping their watches at an extremely good level at this point.

On the other side the best Omega are solely left to VSF.
 
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I’m very doubtful: since there isn’t a 1:1 rep, what is better between a quartz rep or a venus, mechanical, one?
 
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This watch is begging to be repped. It’s iconic.. Shame it’s probably not even on the factories radar.. I have given up on hope. I’ll be buying the gen soon.


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Can you post some pics of your watch.. been wanting to see how it looks after someone purchases it
 

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I dont understand why all the omega speedmasters moonwatch replicas are bad... the insert on 6 o clock is really short.
 

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I cant understand why all the spedys moonwatch professional I saw on replicas webs have this "error "on the 6 oclock position, its short the insert and the dial and the proportions of the chronos are a little bit different with more space beetween them.
 

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I dont understand why all the omega speedmasters moonwatch replicas are bad... the insert on 6 o clock is really short.

From what I undertand, chinese people are not interested in the speedmaster, so no manufacturer really makes the effort to make a high quality product. I would be curious to know the proportion of asian buyers vs rest of the world.
 

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From what I undertand, chinese people are not interested in the speedmaster, so no manufacturer really makes the effort to make a high quality product. I would be curious to know the proportion of asian buyers vs rest of the world.
Nailed it!

this is really the reason and for them, to think the prestige of owning an Omega Speedmaster vs Perfect Royal Oak/Nautilus is miles away from each other hence the perfect Rolex Daytona being released if you get the logic

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Yes you are agree, its a good explanation, but ij the asian market (japan) are the most important collectors of speedys of the world. But of course China is a different world. Also I never saw an omega speedy reduced replica?
 

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Yes you are agree, its a good explanation, but ij the asian market (japan) are the most important collectors of speedys of the world. But of course China is a different world. Also I never saw an omega speedy reduced replica?
This could only be a Japan thing considering that Japan exclusive speedy, ultraman, japan only seamasters as well

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