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Look like the new PAM177L is out...

Spboudart

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define titanium?

Titanium (play /ta??te?ni?m/ tye-TAY-nee-?m) is a chemical element with the symbol Ti and atomic number 22. Sometimes called the "space age metal",[2] it has a low density and is a strong, lustrous, corrosion-resistant (including sea water, aqua regia and chlorine) transition metal with a silver color.

Titanium was discovered in Cornwall, United Kingdom, by William Gregor in 1791 and named by Martin Heinrich Klaproth for the Titans of Greek mythology.

The element occurs within a number of mineral deposits, principally rutile and ilmenite, which are widely distributed in the Earth's crust and lithosphere, and it is found in almost all living things, rocks, water bodies, and soils.[3] The metal is extracted from its principal mineral ores via the Kroll process[4] or the Hunter process. Its most common compound, titanium dioxide, is a popular photocatalyst and is used in the manufacture of white pigments.[5] Other compounds include titanium tetrachloride (TiCl4), a component of smoke screens and catalysts; and titanium trichloride (TiCl3), which is used as a catalyst in the production of polypropylene).[3]

Titanium can be alloyed with iron, aluminium, vanadium, molybdenum, among other elements, to produce strong lightweight alloys for aerospace (jet engines, missiles, and spacecraft), military, industrial process (chemicals and petro-chemicals, desalination plants, pulp, and paper), automotive, agri-food, medical prostheses, orthopedic implants, dental and endodontic instruments and files, dental implants, sporting goods, jewelry, mobile phones, and other applications.[3]

The two most useful properties of the metal form are corrosion resistance and the highest strength-to-weight ratio of any metal.[6] In its unalloyed condition, titanium is as strong as some steels, but 45% lighter.[7] There are two allotropic forms[8] and five naturally occurring isotopes of this element, 46Ti through 50Ti, with 48Ti being the most abundant (73.8%).[9] Titanium's properties are chemically and physically similar to zirconium, because both of them have the same number of valence electrons and are in the same group in the periodic table.










Just Kidding Greg!

But I do beleive that the Titanium on this model is as good as it was on the older case (not the recent one), unless you have other infos.... then you might want to devellop for us...
 

Yannou

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The 177 specialist....:biglaugh:


Titanium (play /ta??te?ni?m/ tye-TAY-nee-?m) is a chemical element with the symbol Ti and atomic number 22. Sometimes called the "space age metal",[2] it has a low density and is a strong, lustrous, corrosion-resistant (including sea water, aqua regia and chlorine) transition metal with a silver color.

Titanium was discovered in Cornwall, United Kingdom, by William Gregor in 1791 and named by Martin Heinrich Klaproth for the Titans of Greek mythology.

The element occurs within a number of mineral deposits, principally rutile and ilmenite, which are widely distributed in the Earth's crust and lithosphere, and it is found in almost all living things, rocks, water bodies, and soils.[3] The metal is extracted from its principal mineral ores via the Kroll process[4] or the Hunter process. Its most common compound, titanium dioxide, is a popular photocatalyst and is used in the manufacture of white pigments.[5] Other compounds include titanium tetrachloride (TiCl4), a component of smoke screens and catalysts; and titanium trichloride (TiCl3), which is used as a catalyst in the production of polypropylene).[3]

Titanium can be alloyed with iron, aluminium, vanadium, molybdenum, among other elements, to produce strong lightweight alloys for aerospace (jet engines, missiles, and spacecraft), military, industrial process (chemicals and petro-chemicals, desalination plants, pulp, and paper), automotive, agri-food, medical prostheses, orthopedic implants, dental and endodontic instruments and files, dental implants, sporting goods, jewelry, mobile phones, and other applications.[3]

The two most useful properties of the metal form are corrosion resistance and the highest strength-to-weight ratio of any metal.[6] In its unalloyed condition, titanium is as strong as some steels, but 45% lighter.[7] There are two allotropic forms[8] and five naturally occurring isotopes of this element, 46Ti through 50Ti, with 48Ti being the most abundant (73.8%).[9] Titanium's properties are chemically and physically similar to zirconium, because both of them have the same number of valence electrons and are in the same group in the periodic table.










Just Kidding Greg!

But I do beleive that the Titanium on this model is as good as it was on the older case (not the recent one), unless you have other infos.... then you might want to devellop for us...
 

polaris

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The final question was: does it have a hex thread?
And from Puretime:

And it looks spring-loaded!

But the movement does look crappier than the 111f, looking like one of the cheaper 6497s from way back.
 

Spboudart

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Might have to buy both a 111J and a 177L to get a good 177...and a not so bad 111 to resell
 

BoBaLLoOo

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Can someone point out to me (visuals) what's wrong with this movement? I've heard multiple comments on this point. I'm trying to get into PAMs but all your damn terminology with swan necks, daggers, and cannon pinions makes me feel like I'm reading A Midsummer Night's Dream... (not that I would know of course..)
 

tommy_boy

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Can someone point out to me (visuals) what's wrong with this movement? I've heard multiple comments on this point. I'm trying to get into PAMs but all your damn terminology with swan necks, daggers, and cannon pinions makes me feel like I'm reading A Midsummer Night's Dream... (not that I would know of course..)


I can't help myself here: Getting into Panerai reps seems to me to be the shortest path to crazed obsession.

Or as The Bard's Lear would say: "That way madness lies...", not that there's anything wrong with that!

Enjoy!
 

Spboudart

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Can someone point out to me (visuals) what's wrong with this movement? I've heard multiple comments on this point. I'm trying to get into PAMs but all your damn terminology with swan necks, daggers, and cannon pinions makes me feel like I'm reading A Midsummer Night's Dream... (not that I would know of course..)

It's just about shapes:
dagger.jpg

On the above pic arrow 1 points at the dagger and arrow 2 to the swan neck

neddle.jpg

On this pic no swan neck and arrow 1 points at a neddle instead of a dagger
 

ugoderosa

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After scrutinizing the photos, I think this is an outstanding effort. Ordered mine last night!

Glad I held off on buying a titanium pam from dsn. This price is great.
 

Gerabit

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With the last arrivals DSN starts to be obsolete, and I'm not even talking about Little Hero...

Taking the risk, because I'm really newbie to the rep world!

I never understood how could anybody buy a DSN 111 type dial with that ugly (not to say anything else) "3" that could be spotted from some distance! And just hope that nobody that have it get offended with the above statement!

But also think that those shouldn't come here and criticize a good effort from a rep factory and on top off that details (altough agree that are flaws) not visible when you wear the watch!

Sorry but had to comment this.
 

ugoderosa

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The QC photos Josh sent me look great, and the watch is now on its way. I will post pics when it arrives.
 

BoBaLLoOo

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Are the new 111J's and this 177L from the same factory? If so I don't understand how they could include a more accurate movement in the 111J than the 177L without noticing?
 

Gerabit

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Are the new 111J's and this 177L from the same factory? If so I don't understand how they could include a more accurate movement in the 111J than the 177L without noticing?

As far as somebody told allready this one is from the some factory who made the 288 and the 111J it's from a different factory!
 

MMs

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Are the new 111J's and this 177L from the same factory? If so I don't understand how they could include a more accurate movement in the 111J than the 177L without noticing?

as just stated, they're from different factories.
the 111J doesn't have a better movement anyway, it just has a dagger
really, and maybe smaller CdG markings. but the inabloc is still wrong,
the printing/engraving is still wrong. both have their own flaws, or shared
flaws, and neither look anything like the gen.