The biggest obvious tell from the front is the lugs. Clearly evident that from the lug base, where it joins the case, it is curvy instead of sharp angle.
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KW PAM351 released - [QC pics ALLOWED of all versions KW, ZFac, ...]
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And this is the same with all decorated movements like P.9000 and P.3000
And it will be the same until a real clone movement
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Looks very nice indeed. I've sold my 061 so only have a 177 and 026k now, perhaps time to go back to three PAMs, I have been toying with a 388, now the 351 is tempting me !
So the watch does indeed impress ... i noticed that KW is NOT a TD. So, did you guys ordering it directly from them?
p.s. good call on the asso strap, that will look great.
S
p.s. good call on the asso strap, that will look great.
S
- 18/1/11
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- 83
You can get it directly from KW (TD in our brother forum RWG)
But many of our dealer can sell it to you
InTime - Toro - Sead.........
Just ask them for KW version
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Just looking at the photos it tough to see which is the higher quality watch. The Z factory rep I do see that the date appears funky....not centered and at an angle whereas the Kuvarsit watch is nicely centered.
That is the million dollar question. We are all impatiently waiting.
I think it will be difficult for rep makers to truly clone in house movements, but as you see, there is progress over the years and we all have a voice here at the forum. Its our feedback that leads to v2.3.4 ... etc.
Eventually something will come along, but for now we can all enjoy what is already out there. When you are comparing price being 1/10th or more of the gen, the movement they have in these watches looks pretty damn good.
I am still patiently waiting the delivery of my 351. For some reason after it left NYC customs, it took a trip all the way across the country to the west coast. Not sure when it will return to the east coast for delivery to me and USPS was no help at all. I am guessing the zip code wasn't very eligible and it went to the wrong city, just happens to be on the complete other side of the country 
I am still patiently waiting the delivery of my 351. For some reason after it left NYC customs, it took a trip all the way across the country to the west coast. Not sure when it will return to the east coast for delivery to me and USPS was no help at all. I am guessing the zip code wasn't very eligible and it went to the wrong city, just happens to be on the complete other side of the country
Dont worry mate...I will let you know when it arrives and send you some pics...
Dont worry mate...I will let you know when it arrives and send you some pics...
Mine arrived! Only took these pics of it so far, I'm headed out to eat and will post a quick review when I get home later. But overall it's built very very solid and has a gen feel to it.
atespo, how about polish quality of the bezel ?
I have previous 351 (without movement decor), and I think the polish quality of the bezel is not so good. Also the material of the bezel is not that good compared to gen bezel.
I have previous 351 (without movement decor), and I think the polish quality of the bezel is not so good. Also the material of the bezel is not that good compared to gen bezel.
Wanted to do a quick review on Kuvarsit and their Panerai 351M
http://www.kuvarsit....roduct_id=32154
First things first, Kuvarsit's communication is amazing, the buying process is quick and easy and I will continue to do business with Kuvarsit.
I was always in love with the 44mm 1950's case and ordered my first Kuvarsit watch back in April, it was the Panerai 312O. I was amazed when I received it and knew I would buy another Pam from KW in the future. Lets fast forward to earlier this month when KW announced their 351. I paid for it on Nov 11 and had QC photos on Nov 13 and it was trackable by the 15th. I had a slight delay with the USPS as they re-routed my package to the other side of the country, but it landed safe and sound this pas Thursday the 21st.
Onto the watch itself. This is a review of my opinions of the watch, not a review how 1:1 it is with its gen counterpart. When I unpacked the watch I was amazed again how solid and gen-like the watch felt. I manually wound the watch a few times and proceeded to set the time and boy was I surprised how good it felt. I will go into details below:
Movement: I am not a stinker about 1:1 looking movements, I am more into how it functions. This clone P9000 movement KW does is top notch. The rotor is almost silent, winds very smooth and the time/date set functions feel very solid. It also keeps a great power reserve.
Case: The case is very nicely finished, nice brush marks, no sharp edges. I was asked about the bezel, and to my eye it looks very very nicely polished. I did scuff it already, but I think that is due to how thick the watch actually is. I've also scuffed my 312's bezel but a cape cod takes it out pretty good.
Crystal: The sapphire crystal has very clear optics and looks very nice at most angles. I am not sure if it has AR coating on it at all but overall its very clear (see my photos) but it does show reflections at some angles. Overall I think its great.
Dial/Hands/Date: I've never seen a 351 in person so I cannot comment on the dial color and close it is to gen, all I can say is its very nice. The dial print and cutouts are all very crisp, the date font is nice and centered vertically/horizontally and the lume is outstanding. I do have a slight defect in the lume at the 8 o'clock marker, looks a little lumpy, I should have studied my QC photos better but in all honesty it does not bother me at all. The hands are one of the reasions I wanted a 351, I love the gold hands on a Panerai. These gold hands have a nice polish to them, the edges are also very nice and clean, but not 100% perfect. I saw a couple places that looked a little rough on the endges, mainly the second hand. Very hard to photograph because I do not have a macro lens with me. They look A LOT better than other rep pams's gold hands (aka both 390's i've had).
Crown/Crownguard: It has nice engravings, has a good shape, nice polished pin, snaps closed and looks fantastic.
Strap Quick Change: I am not a huge fan of this QC strap system, I prefer screws, but I will say this (as well as the KW 312) works great. It was a little tough getting the one pin out when I first got it but after a couple strap changes it loosened up. When reinstalling the lug pins, pushing the pins in while pressing the QC button, they make a nice 'snap' back into the QC mechanism. I feel very comfortable wearing it and knowing the lug pins will not come out.
Caseback: Very nice caseback engravings, nice display back and I took the caseback off to grease the gasket and the threads are gold plated so the threads will never strip/back out since its Titanium.
Weight/Size: The KW 351 without a strap or lug bars weighs 103.6g. Its stainless steel counterpart 312 weighs 135.6g. So the 351 being made of titanium is 32g lighter than its stainless steel brother. It is noticeable on the wrist too, the 351 doesn't feel too light as some other Titanium watches do, it still has wrist presence. I have a 6.75" wrist and personally think the 44mm 1950 case fits my wrist perfect. It is a little thicker than a Luminor but I like the wrist presence a lot. Also it feels different on the wrist with a thick 24mm ammo strap (5mm) vs a gen 24x22 strap.
Overall: Overall I love this watch, I love it so much I am going to keep it AND my 312. I am actually going to send them out one by one to have serviced since they are keepers for me and always like to have my keepers running strong. I say if your on the fence with a 351 right now, I wouldn't hesitate to get the Kuvarsit. I haven't seen a review of the other factory's 351 yet nor have I had one in my hands, so my opinion is biased, but due to the fake jewels in the movement of the other factory's 351 and my track record with Kuvarsit, it was a no brainer which one I went with.
Onto some photos:
Some comparison shots with the KW 312O to see the difference in case material and dial/hands color
2 photos of the weigh in
Couple wrist shots
And lastly one shot under direct florescent lighting
http://www.kuvarsit....roduct_id=32154
First things first, Kuvarsit's communication is amazing, the buying process is quick and easy and I will continue to do business with Kuvarsit.
I was always in love with the 44mm 1950's case and ordered my first Kuvarsit watch back in April, it was the Panerai 312O. I was amazed when I received it and knew I would buy another Pam from KW in the future. Lets fast forward to earlier this month when KW announced their 351. I paid for it on Nov 11 and had QC photos on Nov 13 and it was trackable by the 15th. I had a slight delay with the USPS as they re-routed my package to the other side of the country, but it landed safe and sound this pas Thursday the 21st.
Onto the watch itself. This is a review of my opinions of the watch, not a review how 1:1 it is with its gen counterpart. When I unpacked the watch I was amazed again how solid and gen-like the watch felt. I manually wound the watch a few times and proceeded to set the time and boy was I surprised how good it felt. I will go into details below:
Movement: I am not a stinker about 1:1 looking movements, I am more into how it functions. This clone P9000 movement KW does is top notch. The rotor is almost silent, winds very smooth and the time/date set functions feel very solid. It also keeps a great power reserve.
Case: The case is very nicely finished, nice brush marks, no sharp edges. I was asked about the bezel, and to my eye it looks very very nicely polished. I did scuff it already, but I think that is due to how thick the watch actually is. I've also scuffed my 312's bezel but a cape cod takes it out pretty good.
Crystal: The sapphire crystal has very clear optics and looks very nice at most angles. I am not sure if it has AR coating on it at all but overall its very clear (see my photos) but it does show reflections at some angles. Overall I think its great.
Dial/Hands/Date: I've never seen a 351 in person so I cannot comment on the dial color and close it is to gen, all I can say is its very nice. The dial print and cutouts are all very crisp, the date font is nice and centered vertically/horizontally and the lume is outstanding. I do have a slight defect in the lume at the 8 o'clock marker, looks a little lumpy, I should have studied my QC photos better but in all honesty it does not bother me at all. The hands are one of the reasions I wanted a 351, I love the gold hands on a Panerai. These gold hands have a nice polish to them, the edges are also very nice and clean, but not 100% perfect. I saw a couple places that looked a little rough on the endges, mainly the second hand. Very hard to photograph because I do not have a macro lens with me. They look A LOT better than other rep pams's gold hands (aka both 390's i've had).
Crown/Crownguard: It has nice engravings, has a good shape, nice polished pin, snaps closed and looks fantastic.
Strap Quick Change: I am not a huge fan of this QC strap system, I prefer screws, but I will say this (as well as the KW 312) works great. It was a little tough getting the one pin out when I first got it but after a couple strap changes it loosened up. When reinstalling the lug pins, pushing the pins in while pressing the QC button, they make a nice 'snap' back into the QC mechanism. I feel very comfortable wearing it and knowing the lug pins will not come out.
Caseback: Very nice caseback engravings, nice display back and I took the caseback off to grease the gasket and the threads are gold plated so the threads will never strip/back out since its Titanium.
Weight/Size: The KW 351 without a strap or lug bars weighs 103.6g. Its stainless steel counterpart 312 weighs 135.6g. So the 351 being made of titanium is 32g lighter than its stainless steel brother. It is noticeable on the wrist too, the 351 doesn't feel too light as some other Titanium watches do, it still has wrist presence. I have a 6.75" wrist and personally think the 44mm 1950 case fits my wrist perfect. It is a little thicker than a Luminor but I like the wrist presence a lot. Also it feels different on the wrist with a thick 24mm ammo strap (5mm) vs a gen 24x22 strap.
Overall: Overall I love this watch, I love it so much I am going to keep it AND my 312. I am actually going to send them out one by one to have serviced since they are keepers for me and always like to have my keepers running strong. I say if your on the fence with a 351 right now, I wouldn't hesitate to get the Kuvarsit. I haven't seen a review of the other factory's 351 yet nor have I had one in my hands, so my opinion is biased, but due to the fake jewels in the movement of the other factory's 351 and my track record with Kuvarsit, it was a no brainer which one I went with.
Onto some photos:
Some comparison shots with the KW 312O to see the difference in case material and dial/hands color
2 photos of the weigh in
Couple wrist shots
And lastly one shot under direct florescent lighting