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KW PAM346 - After three months, finally realized how amazing it is!!!

old_man

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Hi guys, this is my first "real" post aside from the intro-to-forum post. I thought I'd share my experience on the PAM 346 by Kuvarsit.

I got the watch when it first came out - I really needed a rad, the KW 346 hit all the right points for me, and I went for it decisively based on ALE's recommendation. At first I thought it was indeed a very nice watch, but I wasn't really WOWED by the build (cuz I never saw a gen).

However, recently I read someone said that "if you play with a gen, you'll really appreciate the quality of the gen". So curiosity drove me to a local boutique, and I played with the gen 346. (Of course I took my rep off before going into the shop).

During the 15 minutes of handling the gen, I have to say, honestly, aside from the movement, I wasn't able to tell any noticeable difference between the gen and the KW 346. I thought the AR on rep wasn't as nicely done - turned out the gen reflected as much light as the rep. I thought the canon pinion wasn't installed properly - turned out exactly the same as the gen. The shape of the case was accurate as ever, contour and corners as sharp as the gen. Even the color of the titanium was the same. Dial colour exactly the same, while depth of the sandwhich dial looked the same, at least I couldn't tell any difference looking at it close up. I also thought that the rep had really long lugs/wires for the strap, but to my surprise the gen had long lug wires too, longer than other radiomirs that I saw. And last but certainly not least, when I received my rep, I thought the rep strap was stiff, uncomfortable, a piece of crap. But I was surprised to see that the gen is, again, EXACTLY THE SAME, in terms of stiffness, color, patterns, and even feel on the wrist.

The only differences, if I HAD to say, would be 1) the logo on the crown of the gen was thicker, and 2) the edge of the Cyclops was much smoother and uniform on the gen. But these would require really really close-up nit-picking examination, and doing so these are the only two differences that I found.

I wish had a hidden on me to take some pictures for all of you. But I don't, so apologize if you guys are expecting photos >.<

I understand that most of us here trust ALE's recommendation on the watch. But astounded by how well the rep was built compared to the gen, I feel I need to come out with the post instilling some confidence to those who are looking to make a purchasing decision - DON'T HESITATE, GO FOR IT!!

I'd also like to take this opportunity and give a shout out for those who are looking to purchase from Kuvarsit - the PAM 346 is really nice, and they're exceeded only by their service. It was a true pleasure dealing with them - they were timely, patient and diligent. I couldn't ask for more from a TD.
 
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old_man

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Nice to hear that. Personally I think it's a purchase you won't regret. =)
 

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The quote really should be "if you play with the movement of a gen, you'll appreciate the quality of a gen". Of course, this only applies to the gens with an in-house movement. Total different feel from the rep.
Having said that, you're right, in terms of look on the wrist and all, the 346 is spot on. I will say though, I've examined the gen and I felt the cyclops wasn't as smooth as I'd expected. But in my case I've not handled the rep, only the gen. So I don't know if the rep is slightly worse or not as you're saying.
I've toyed with getting the 346 rep but the cyclops bothers me, but that's just me. FWIW this watch deserves to be on a JV strap. The combination of the JV with the gold hands is really beautiful.
Here's a pic of the gen when I tried it on at the AD with the JV strap:
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PeterRei

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I love this watch - it's the one getting the most wrist time.

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old_man

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The quote really should be "if you play with the movement of a gen, you'll appreciate the quality of a gen". Of course, this only applies to the gens with an in-house movement. Total different feel from the rep.
Having said that, you're right, in terms of look on the wrist and all, the 346 is spot on. I will say though, I've examined the gen and I felt the cyclops wasn't as smooth as I'd expected. But in my case I've not handled the rep, only the gen. So I don't know if the rep is slightly worse or not as you're saying.
I've toyed with getting the 346 rep but the cyclops bothers me, but that's just me. FWIW this watch deserves to be on a JV strap. The combination of the JV with the gold hands is really beautiful.
Here's a pic of the gen when I tried it on at the AD with the JV strap:
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Thnaks for the gen picture vbmrk - just as i was saying i didnt have a hidden cam, here's a legit ge wrist shot! I agree with you on the fact that it'd be a even nicer watch without the cyclops.

You are right, the movement of the gen is definitely night and day from the Shanghai mvt. The gen cant adjust date directly, and when you turn the crown the hour hand jumps from one to the next while minute hand doesnt move. The feelijng of winding the watch is much smoother too =)


But I really cant convince myself to put down 30x more money for that. If I decide to put that much down on a time piece, fifty fathoms will be the first on the list!


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Hi friend

Glad to hear you are happy with my recommendation
I saw the gen in an AD, wearing my rep (discreetly, I was alone) in my wrist and I was able to make some discreet "direct" (not in my hands, of course) comparison. I arrived to the same conclusions, I didn't even see many differences on cyclops. The feeling or appearance was exactly the same. I was honestly surprised by the real quality of this rep when saw the gen in front of me.
Of course rep movement is not at the same level of the gen and you can tell easily the rep in a side by side comparison, but only with the rep in your hand the movement is one of the best manufactured and accurate in PAM replicas of the copied Manifattura movements.
Regarding strap, KW PAM 346 strap is maybe one of the best leather strap I have ever seen in a rep.

It is very curious you have not mentioned the difference of polishing in the bezel surface, and this is because the bezel in PAM 346 is smaller than in PAM 351 and this difference of finish is much less noticeable in PAM 346. I have to say that, in my "comparison". I actually forget to see this concrete point, but that just confirm that the difference was not great.

Besides the watch, like the Luminor version PAM 351, has a lot of personality and character, it is a different watch sporty, dressy and elegant at the same time. Attractive but not flashy. Really awesome

Just be careful with the Titanium which is more prone to scratches than SS. I would avoid a daily wearing because scratches will give character to PAM 176-177 but I think will not be the case with PAM 351 and PAM 346

Very advisable purchase

Nice info in the thread to include the link in PAM GUIDE.
Thanks for sharing

ALE
 

old_man

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I love this watch - it's the one getting the most wrist time.

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Appreciate the picture Peter. Now we have a wrist shot of the gen and the rep. This is awesome!

On a related note, I found the rep strap is quite stiff (exact same as the gen), so i bought another gator strap, brown on brown stitchings. That seemed to have improved the overall looks/feel of the watch by a notch.

Anyhow, this is indeed a real nice watch. Wear it in good health!


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old_man

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Hi friend

Glad to hear you are happy with my recommendation
I saw the gen in an AD, wearing my rep (discreetly, I was alone) in my wrist and I was able to make some discreet "direct" (not in my hands, of course) comparison. I arrived to the same conclusions, I didn't even see many differences on cyclops. The feeling or appearance was exactly the same. I was honestly surprised by the real quality of this rep when saw the gen in front of me.
Of course rep movement is not at the same level of the gen and you can tell easily the rep in a side by side comparison, but only with the rep in your hand the movement is one of the best manufactured and accurate in PAM replicas of the copied Manifattura movements.
Regarding strap, KW PAM 346 strap is maybe one of the best leather strap I have ever seen in a rep.

It is very curious you have not mentioned the difference of polishing in the bezel surface, and this is because the bezel in PAM 346 is smaller than in PAM 351 and this difference of finish is much less noticeable in PAM 346. I have to say that, in my "comparison". I actually forget to see this concrete point, but that just confirm that the difference was not great.

Besides the watch, like the Luminor version PAM 351, has a lot of personality and character, it is a different watch sporty, dressy and elegant at the same time. Attractive but not flashy. Really awesome

Just be careful with the Titanium which is more prone to scratches than SS. I would avoid a daily wearing because scratches will give character to PAM 176-177 but I think will not be the case with PAM 351 and PAM 346

Very advisable purchase

Nice info in the thread to include the link in PAM GUIDE.
Thanks for sharing

ALE

Hi ALE, thanks for the reply, and honoured to make into the PAM GUIDE!

Looks like we had very similar experience. I was not aware of any difference in the polished bezel - maybe because I wasn't aware of it before going into it, so didn't pay much attention. Regarding the Cyclops, although very well done, the Cyclop on the rep is not as thin, smooth and uniform as that of the gen. If you have a rep in your hand, look to the left side of the Cyclops on an angle, and look to the right, you'll see what I mean. Whereas the gen is not only thinner on the edge but perfectly uniform all around. Another reason could be that there maybe variabilities in the rep Cyclops...and I just happened to have one like this.

From comparing the wrist shots above, I also noticed that the lume on the gen hands are thinner, about 1/3 of the hand's width, whereas the rep is a little thicker than that.

Thanks for the tip on the titanium, I'll probably wear it every 3rd day or so (if I can hold myself back at all). I also own a 111 and a 363, which gives me some room to switch around.

Right now I'm eyeing an 127. Was planning maybe a 312 after that but looking like it's going towards a 351 now. I just saw the pictures and I complete agree with your take on that watch. Thanks.
 

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Hi ALE, thanks for the reply, and honoured to make into the PAM GUIDE!

Looks like we had very similar experience. I was not aware of any difference in the polished bezel - maybe because I wasn't aware of it before going into it, so didn't pay much attention. Regarding the Cyclops, although very well done, the Cyclop on the rep is not as thin, smooth and uniform as that of the gen. If you have a rep in your hand, look to the left side of the Cyclops on an angle, and look to the right, you'll see what I mean. Whereas the gen is not only thinner on the edge but perfectly uniform all around. Another reason could be that there maybe variabilities in the rep Cyclops...and I just happened to have one like this.

From comparing the wrist shots above, I also noticed that the lume on the gen hands are thinner, about 1/3 of the hand's width, whereas the rep is a little thicker than that.

Thanks for the tip on the titanium, I'll probably wear it every 3rd day or so (if I can hold myself back at all). I also own a 111 and a 363, which gives me some room to switch around.

Right now I'm eyeing an 127. Was planning maybe a 312 after that but looking like it's going towards a 351 now. I just saw the pictures and I complete agree with your take on that watch. Thanks.

Thanks for your additional comments
Yes, I know perfectly what you are talking about the cyclops and of course there are variations between reps. The issue you are seeing in the contour of the cyclops is due to the gen contour of the cyclops lens is perfectly and uniformly polished, whereas the rep cyclops lens is not as well polished, and it is hit and miss. You can see the non polished edge mainly from the sides, but many times also from the front, like a frozen halo. But what I mean is that in this concrete watch is less noticeable than in other reps, but it exists.

Lume on hands is almost always like that, I even forget to mention it many times

PAM 351 is awesome, one of nicest PAMs, but is similar to PAM 346 is also prone to scratches and has more problem about polished bezel, since bezel is much wider.
KW PAM 312 is really awesome one of the most gen-like appearance reps in the market.

ALE
 

Burrogs

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Like my kw 346 even more than my kw 312

Opted for genuine croc strap...couldn't be more pleased :)

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A true out the box super rep that's flown under the radar for some time...


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old_man

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Like my kw 346 even more than my kw 312

Opted for genuine croc strap...couldn't be more pleased :)

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Burrogs, thank you for the awesome wrist shot and I really like that strap for the gen padded shape. Out of curiosity is that the strap that comes with the gen 346? Because it looks softer and more comfy than the one I saw at the AD


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old_man

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A true out the box super rep that's flown under the radar for some time...


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Just for the build quality, material and design I really think it's a must have in the collection.


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Burrogs

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This is a gen croc strap KW supplied me for an additional charge of around $90. Looks great, feels great.

I'll take a pic this evening so you can see the entire strap
 

quik0222

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how does a 45mm radiomir like 346 wear on the wrist compared to a 44m luminor? I have a 116, and was just wondering if the 346 will look "smaller" on the wrist since it's not as thick as a 116. Anyone has experience with both watches that can provide some insight? Thanks in advance.
 

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i have a 346 and several other 45mm rads, as well as a 111/005/417 and i can honestly say the rads wear smaller on the hand due to the pillow-shaped case and the wire lugs, as compared to the thicker bulkier case and normal lugs on the luminor cases. hope this helps :)