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The rest of the world.
The Chinese government has to be seen to be making an effort to combat counterfeiting in China.
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The rest of the world.
The Chinese government has to be seen to be making an effort to combat counterfeiting in China.
mari115
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Because they have to keep up the "facade" of a government that tries to weed out illegal activities, noob was raided as well, but why are they back in the game? The governemnt knows about what they are doing, it just decides when and how to act, because in the end that's good for China
Too the large corporations who are the intellectual property owners
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Guys this is my last answer on this topic just to clarify to you my position.
It totally makes sense that factories continue to put flaws on watches to sell v1/v2 with minimal improvements etc but at the same time let’s be honest here. If they could make a perfect rep they would earn a lot (even more, or at least the same, personal idea) too. Plus they would kill the competitors keeping all the market for them. Just see what ZZF was able to do in 1 year with a better product than his competitors.
This is why I think there are also other pieces of the puzzle. An illegal factory that produces perfect copies of Rolex would attract too much attention putting pressure on China to shut it down. China gives only the impression to contrast counterfeit goods but at the end it is profit for them and it’s convenient for China to keep them open. It is therefore convenient for factories to fly “under the radar” producing good copies but not perfect ones. At the end of the day any rep here if put against a gen will show a clear difference, partially justified by the price difference. Some more some less.
This was my idea and it has some decent background since I am quite into this topics and I know at least a bit of what I am talking about.
That said I think we can go back to ZZF (which honestly I didn’t enjoy)
It totally makes sense that factories continue to put flaws on watches to sell v1/v2 with minimal improvements etc but at the same time let’s be honest here. If they could make a perfect rep they would earn a lot (even more, or at least the same, personal idea) too. Plus they would kill the competitors keeping all the market for them. Just see what ZZF was able to do in 1 year with a better product than his competitors.
This is why I think there are also other pieces of the puzzle. An illegal factory that produces perfect copies of Rolex would attract too much attention putting pressure on China to shut it down. China gives only the impression to contrast counterfeit goods but at the end it is profit for them and it’s convenient for China to keep them open. It is therefore convenient for factories to fly “under the radar” producing good copies but not perfect ones. At the end of the day any rep here if put against a gen will show a clear difference, partially justified by the price difference. Some more some less.
This was my idea and it has some decent background since I am quite into this topics and I know at least a bit of what I am talking about.
That said I think we can go back to ZZF (which honestly I didn’t enjoy)
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Urban/internet myth.
They don't try to make the perfect rep because they don't need to - they make plenty of money making 90 or 95% perfect reps. These are criminals in the eyes of the law, they aren't out to prove anything, nor make the best of anything.
They are out to make as much money as possible with a minimum of outlay, they've understood the market has changed and that the crappy reps of 10 or 20 years ago are no longer good enough to satisfy many people. The market for high quality reps exists, trying to make a perfect rep would not be cost effective - this is about making money, nothing else.
Interesting. I’ve never thought about the fact that China would be accepting of the rep industry. I always thought these makers are constantly watching over their shoulders, moving from one building to another with just the clothes on their backs. Changing their names, their cell numbers, respraying their cars different colours and getting facelifts. Meanwhile the buggers are having high tea with the Chinese prez. I feel so betrayed 
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Yes I've heard ZZF had sought approval from the Communist Party already starting from January this year to correct the bigfoot X on the dial. The Communist Party held months long talks with Switzerland and they got the approval from Geneva finally only a month ago to go ahead with the new updated X dial. Xi Jinping was involved in those talks as well.
And meanwhile all those silly questions how hard can it be for ZZF to fix the X.
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this one is mine just got it last Friday, I ordered a rubber strap and probably some time down the road add a gen insert but that’s really it. I’m very happy. The mvmt is butter so far. Keeps great time also. I have it on a winder.
this one is mine just got it last Friday, I ordered a rubber strap and probably some time down the road add a gen insert but that’s really it. I’m very happy. The mvmt is butter so far. Keeps great time also. I have it on a winder.
Definitely an eye candy. I see they update the bezel teeth. Not so sharp anymore. Ordered also and waiting for QC. Hopefully mine is as good as what you got. Thanks sir.
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Kalev007
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Why paint?
These CF bezels have real platinum coating so why on earth would you paint them over.
You can swim in ocean, clean them with a toothbrush etc nothing happens to them unlike the Noob and ARFs painted ones where you would almost instantly loose all filling.
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this one is mine just got it last Friday, I ordered a rubber strap and probably some time down the road add a gen insert but that’s really it. I’m very happy. The mvmt is butter so far. Keeps great time also. I have it on a winder.
You're SELs unfortunately are almost flush.
Better try to source another ZZF bracelet with good gen like recess.
In terms of gen looking that will add more than the gen insert at this point.
Bezel teeth are yes a lot better now on these.
I didn't realise they had platinum coating.. sorry, I asked because it looked a bit white. Thanks for the quick response
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Im ok with the SELs since I’m switching to a rubber T strap any way I’ll probably get an ARF bracelet sometime down the road.
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Just to clarify the noob v10s are not painted are plat filled and can be vigorously cleaned do not chip or fade.
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There is no way in hell that they are using real platinum - you really believe that?!