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Is Panerai dead?

AxiAziz

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We have a lot of demand for older Panerai models. Why the hell don't makes make them?

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Of course @mysterio have right and knows better.

In addition imo makers choose easier way, which is make rolex, omega, tudor etc. Because it is easier to make and easier to sell more amounts.
In my humble observation pretty much people seeking for example 187, slytech chronos, 087 and so on. And these bunch of people population is getting bigger every day.

Once i spoke with puretime, he sad 1000 piece sell is important for every models. I think right now almost every rare pam model salable over 1000 piece.
 
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mysterio

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Imo makers choose easier way, which is make rolex, omega, tudor etc. Because it is easier to make and easier to sell more amounts.
In my humble observation pretty much people seeking for example 187, slytech chronos, 087 and so on. And these bunch of people popülation is getting bigger every day.

Obviously the bunch of people isn't nearly enough to convince them to produce another run. That or they simply do not have the parts to build it (the makers of the dial, case, and so on may have gone out of business, raided, etc).
 

mimicry

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I think it's more about timing I tried to sell my Vac modded 243 (considered a superrep) a couple of months ago and not one bite. Going back a couple of years it would have been gone no issue.
Made me realise it's better to keep it.


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mysterio

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I think it's more about timing I tried to sell my Vac modded 243 (considered a superrep) a couple of months ago and not one bite. Going back a couple of years it would have been gone no issue.
Made me realise it's better to keep it.


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The main issue with your watch as I see it was the watch wasn't produced in small quantities. Then you have two factories (Noob and H-Fac) making it, so most people would have already owned one. Had I not possessed one (well two but recently sold one to a friend), I might have taken your watch.
 

freefallrlc

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Archie Luxury is an annoying twit . All that shouting and swearing , i think it is meant to be entertaining ?? About as funny as a cattle prod in the jacksy !

Couldn´t agree more. If I has a watches shop and a guy, looking and behaving like this, I would kick him out. Looks like a lowlife
 

markiemark

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I think it's more about timing I tried to sell my Vac modded 243 (considered a superrep) a couple of months ago and not one bite. Going back a couple of years it would have been gone no issue.
Made me realise it's better to keep it.


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I'll bit if youre in the EU haha!
 

centrum

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Or, it could be that the rep factories chose to cater to the Chinese customers' demands these days, which does not include Panerais. That could explain why we have a lot of fancy, luxurious-looking reps manufactured, but not humble-looking Panerais recently.
From what I have seen since I joined this game in 2010, Panerai watches are more sought after by Western customers, not Asian customers. If this is the case, I hope that the rep makers take our, global rep forums, into consideration and re-release classic Pam models with A6497 and A775X.
Re-releasing watches that they have made before shouldn't come with any manufacturing problems.
 

mysterio

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I have doubts as to that characterization. Who would you rather sell to? Your countrymen who know how much it really costs to make the watch and will try and haggle down the price or would you rather sell to the rest of the world who mostly have no clue and will gladly pay higher prices, knowing that it's only a fraction of the cost of the original? Factories in the end are businesses, although the Chinese market is literally huge, they have a lot of competition locally. They'd much rather sell to a wider market, they can get profits much easier that way.

As for manufacturing, I know a bit about it so just saying going back to assembling a former product isn't as cut and dried as most people think. For example, the parts might no longer be available. Now whether that was triggered by the parts factories themselves or the factory told them they would not be buying this part anymore is anybody's guess. Next, since the factory decided that for the foreseeable future, they wouldn't be making this PAMXXX anymore, the equipment used to assemble and finish the product would have been retooled for something else. And with the general lack of control for replica factories, I wouldn't be surprised if the old tooling is now unusable even if they had the parts. And this situation you would have to trickle down to parts factories, which have similar issues to contend with.
 

superspark69

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Certainly not dead for some of us, just built this up.......

Rolli Dial
Gen 002/009 Tritium Hands
DSN PVD a-series case set
Swiss 6497-2
Jakob Caseback

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kilowattore

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I have doubts as to that characterization. Who would you rather sell to? Your countrymen who know how much it really costs to make the watch and will try and haggle down the price or would you rather sell to the rest of the world who mostly have no clue and will gladly pay higher prices, knowing that it's only a fraction of the cost of the original? Factories in the end are businesses, although the Chinese market is literally huge, they have a lot of competition locally. They'd much rather sell to a wider market, they can get profits much easier that way.

As for manufacturing, I know a bit about it so just saying going back to assembling a former product isn't as cut and dried as most people think. For example, the parts might no longer be available. Now whether that was triggered by the parts factories themselves or the factory told them they would not be buying this part anymore is anybody's guess. Next, since the factory decided that for the foreseeable future, they wouldn't be making this PAMXXX anymore, the equipment used to assemble and finish the product would have been retooled for something else. And with the general lack of control for replica factories, I wouldn't be surprised if the old tooling is now unusable even if they had the parts. And this situation you would have to trickle down to parts factories, which have similar issues to contend with.

To be 100% honest there is hardly any reason for not producing the Luminor 44mm range anymore. Almost all models share the same case, crown, crownguard, movement, hands. Case is made in 3 kinds: SS, PVD, Ti. PVD is a further treatment to SS so all in all the full line of 44mm PAMs is made of what? 2 different case sets and 5-10 dials?
I know my opinion wont change the situation still I think it's a pity.
 
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kilowattore

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Forgot to add case sets and other parts are still available (XF is still producing 111) only dials are missing