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How often do you reject QC?
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Depends on the TD. One particular dealer I always seem to have to ask for a different watch. Everything else about dealing with them is fine - pre and post sales is excellent, but I always feel like they're trying to peddle a watch somebody else has rejected on me. No harm in that, everyone's fault tolerance is different and to different things, but naturally I find the process a bit tiresome. Another TD I don't even bother asking for QC but I could see how noobs asking lots of questions would rather deal with the first one because this particular TD is not a huge fan of convoluted conflab [emoji23]
Not gonna start hating on people for rejecting because they aren't happy, but if you find yourself drawing lines on your QC pics you're probably expecting a bit too much
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Not gonna start hating on people for rejecting because they aren't happy, but if you find yourself drawing lines on your QC pics you're probably expecting a bit too much
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And here is a straight on picture of the date wheel. Its a little too aligned to the top of the window.
So far I've accepted the omega sea master. First one had a hair in the 2 o clock lume marker but the second one looks fine. Going through some more QC on the second kW 389 and a little worried about 250 amplitude on the ap diver. Visually it looks ok but worried about the movement health.
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Seriously, that's just the camera position.. The datewheel looks fine considering the picture was taken from that position. It's not straight on!
Yep, asked for additional pictures and accepted that watch. Its missing some paint on the 45 bezel marker but that should be an easy fix with a little paint and a tooth pick I hope. Any suggestions what paint to use?
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Use a matte black enamel paint, fill it, wait till it gets dry (at least 6-8 hours!) and rub a piece of soft wood over the marker to clear the remaining paint
If these reps were exact flawless copies of the genuimes, that would make reviews pointless. My interest would wane very quickly. Frankens and brilliant modders would be a thing of the past. The horological world would become indifferent. Then the need for this forum would not exist. Who wants that to happen? Look at the gen. forums. 2 line sentences, innocuous comments. Keep the inaccuracies coming, we need some excitement. I am just so impressed that some reps. truly reflect the quality of some genuines on a fraction of a budget.
I mainly use Sead he gives me very good details on the models I am after. I have not had a dodgy watch off him yet. Again nothing perfect but he is very straight forward with his opinions. I got a 2015 LMPO off him, a lot of people were complaining about it at the time (and still do) but I did manage to get a relatively good one. QCs only arrived after the watch was posted, which did not bother me in the slightest. He generally only supplies QCs on request.
I don't think that what you are comparing is the same thing people are talking/complaining about. We are not talking accuracy of the reps, we are talking production faults. That is very different.
It is indeed very interesting to compare a rep vs gen and see where de diferences are... Can be handstack, shape of hands, font, colour, case shape etc.... That is what we do on this forum and discuss, this is why there are frankens, to make the design flaws disappear, but that is not what QC is for...
But you don't want a hair in your dial, misallignments that are obvious, smudges here and there, that is why qc is important... That's production flaws, not design flaws.
you are truely right about the quality of what these rep makers can achieve, therefor it is a pitty that they can be so sloppy sometimes, because we know they are capable of great things!
It is indeed very interesting to compare a rep vs gen and see where de diferences are... Can be handstack, shape of hands, font, colour, case shape etc.... That is what we do on this forum and discuss, this is why there are frankens, to make the design flaws disappear, but that is not what QC is for...
But you don't want a hair in your dial, misallignments that are obvious, smudges here and there, that is why qc is important... That's production flaws, not design flaws.
you are truely right about the quality of what these rep makers can achieve, therefor it is a pitty that they can be so sloppy sometimes, because we know they are capable of great things!
Yes I do agree, but I do take it as par for the course, if something bugs me I am always prepared to take it to my watchmaker. I get each one serviced, cleaned and waterproofed anyway. The conditions in the factories by all accounts are not good. Not a clinical environment, dust flying around and generally not the culture in horology that the Swiss perfectionists have.
Servicing, cleaning and waterproofing is good practice to maintain your watches. It wont help though to send a watch to your watchmaker to fix bad printing on dials, bad SEL allignment because a hole was drilled on the wrong place etc. These things we have to try and see in advance. On the other hand, a lot of people exagerate when CQing, that's true. Just use common sense.
Again I do agree with you. I guess where I am coming from is seeing numerous threads where people are getting over excited about issues that do not exist. Issues caused by lighting and angles. A magnified 2D photo can be so misleading. I have one example where I shared a QC on a LMPO as it did actually look so good as there was a lot of fear about it. A very quick reply after that highlighted that the ZrO2 writing was missing. If I worried about that and had not realised it was just a lighting issue I would have rejected a beautiful nearly perfect watch. When I received it, it did indeed have the appropriate writing. The one thing QCs did not pic up and could not pick up was the fact that the case was not good and needs a lot of work to waterproof it, if it can be done at all. Work I have not commuted to yet but will in the new year.
I think QCs can lead to unnecessary panic and hysteria some times. But yes I agree that at least the QCs give people a fighting chance to pick up real issues and thus avoiding some work on their end.
I think QCs can lead to unnecessary panic and hysteria some times. But yes I agree that at least the QCs give people a fighting chance to pick up real issues and thus avoiding some work on their end.
I always ask for qc but only because I once got two wrong watches so I use them just to check if it's what I ordered. Out probably 50-60 watches I bought since I'm here, I can't remember one time I rejected my qc, I don't know if it's because of my dealer or because I'm trying to be realistic with my expectations about reps.
I always take quick look on any possible flaws but rejecting watches from first page of this thread (especially Panda) is just ridiculous. Gen could have misaligned inner bezel for those 0.001 mm's and you can't expect from rep to be 100% gen like. Another thing to note is that those posts are usually seen by new members probably because of lack of reading around here but it's not the reason to torture your TD because of something you can only see with a loupe.
Btw check this out: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=445861 It may help you to understand how good our reps are (borrowed from another thread I read today).
I always take quick look on any possible flaws but rejecting watches from first page of this thread (especially Panda) is just ridiculous. Gen could have misaligned inner bezel for those 0.001 mm's and you can't expect from rep to be 100% gen like. Another thing to note is that those posts are usually seen by new members probably because of lack of reading around here but it's not the reason to torture your TD because of something you can only see with a loupe.
Btw check this out: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=445861 It may help you to understand how good our reps are (borrowed from another thread I read today).
Couldn't agree more with this post. As you said "design flaws" or tells are part of it. They make this interesting. I'm also ok with problems that can be corrected. It's the as you put it, manufacturing flaws that bug me. My last watch had the "1" at the centre of the top of the watch and not the "12". That isn't a tell... The movement housing wasn't right. It happens. What bugs me is being made too feel like I'm nitpicking.
I'm beginning to wonder whether certain TD's do put in less effort than others in QC. From the sounds of it that does seem to be the case. Maybe it's time to give another one a shot.
Qc are often quite hard to analyze. You see what you see but it's not enough sometimes.
I remember once having validated some QCs but ended up returning the watch because of some dust inside the case. Of course completely invisible on qc pics.
I remember once having validated some QCs but ended up returning the watch because of some dust inside the case. Of course completely invisible on qc pics.
Returned home after holiday travels and picked up my package from pure time! The Pam 389 is very beautiful in person. The date wheel is slightly off center and the lume on the minute hand is weak on some areas, but hard to notice unless looking for it specifically. The pearl looks great and the bezel is firm and clicks precisely! Overall very pleased!
I also ordered a v7 ap diver from jf factory. Let me say the overall finishing and quality on this piece is incredible. I can only imagine what a gen feels like!
Very pleased with my first rep order. More to come I'm sure...
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I also ordered a v7 ap diver from jf factory. Let me say the overall finishing and quality on this piece is incredible. I can only imagine what a gen feels like!
Very pleased with my first rep order. More to come I'm sure...
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