Help Installing handset ETA 2892-A2

[Hec]

Hello,

I'm having a breakdown installing my new movement on an IWC Mark XVIII dial.

I have bought a Gen 2892-A2 movement, fitted the dial to the movement, tried all the crown positions, so far so good.

The problem I have had is using the retaining ring from the clone movement, in the end I have managed to put it on but could it be that this will give me problems installing the hands? Or maybe I have installed the ring in the wrong position?

When I try to put the Hour hand there is no way to fix it, I have seen tutorials, and it is not so difficult.

The clone vs gen movements seem to be the same size but I'm starting to have doubts, I'm attaching a photo in case someone can help me or explain if I've put the retaining ring wrong,

I think it doesn't fit because it doesn't protrude enough.


Thanks to all of you

 

[KJ2020]

Hello,

I'm having a breakdown installing my new movement on an IWC Mark XVIII dial.

I have bought a Gen 2892-A2 movement, fitted the dial to the movement, tried all the crown positions, so far so good.

The problem I have had is using the retaining ring from the clone movement, in the end I have managed to put it on but could it be that this will give me problems installing the hands? Or maybe I have installed the ring in the wrong position?

When I try to put the Hour hand there is no way to fix it, I have seen tutorials, and it is not so difficult.

The clone vs gen movements seem to be the same size but I'm starting to have doubts, I'm attaching a photo in case someone can help me or explain if I've put the retaining ring wrong,

I think it doesn't fit because it doesn't protrude enough.


Thanks to all of you

Bro I'm not familiar with that movement holder, my only IWC has a DG2813 with a different holder.

But, your datewheel can't physically get any closer to the dial so it looks like your issue is the gen movement hand pinions are too short. ETAs have many different possible pinion heights and many gen movements come with the shortest ones.

It's often possible to use the rep hand wheels but if you don't want to do that you need to measure the rep pinions and buy a replacement kit.

2892 hand pinion kits

The hour wheel and canon (minute) pinion can be easily installed on the dial side. The seconds pinion requires removal of the train bridge on the movement backside. LMK if you need help with that, I can post a video.

 

[mclarendude]

I remember having to use the hand wheels of a rep 2892 on a gen 2892. As KJ said, it is an easy swap. From the look of yours, it even looks like it is missing a wheel, but I could be wrong.

 

[Hec]

Thank you for your answers.

@mclarendude @KJ2020

I think my only option is to go through a watchmaker, in the end I thought that putting some hands could not be so difficult ... and then I have already coldly realized that a gen movement is not the same as the clone...

@KJ2020 What "kit" would I need? I see a lot of H1, h2... and I don't know which one I need.

Thank you very much to both of you

 

[Hec]

@KJ2020

I thought, my old 2892 clone movement is broken, could I use the parts in the gEn? Although I'll take it to a watchmaker, I'm very novice and I don't see myself able to do the modification right now on my own.

 

[KJ2020]

Thank you for your answers.

@mclarendude @KJ2020

I think my only option is to go through a watchmaker, in the end I thought that putting some hands could not be so difficult ... and then I have already coldly realized that a gen movement is not the same as the clone...

@KJ2020 What "kit" would I need? I see a lot of H1, h2... and I don't know which one I need.

Thank you very much to both of you

You would need to measure your rep hand wheel pinions and choose the right size from the table in the Item Description. It's probably an H3 or H4.

This is not above your capability. You can practice on your rep movement. Train bridge removal is the same as a 2824.

 

[KJ2020]

@KJ2020

I thought, my old 2892 clone movement is broken, could I use the parts in the gEn? Although I'll take it to a watchmaker, I'm very novice and I don't see myself able to do the modification right now on my own.

Take the rep parts out and examine them for any defects. If none, you can try it. Often it will work but no guarantees. If taking it to a watchmaker, I would give him gen parts so there is no risk of incompatibilities and less risk of accidental breakage.

 

[kidcreole]

Thank you for your answers.

@mclarendude @KJ2020

I think my only option is to go through a watchmaker, in the end I thought that putting some hands could not be so difficult ... and then I have already coldly realized that a gen movement is not the same as the clone...

@KJ2020 What "kit" would I need? I see a lot of H1, h2... and I don't know which one I need.

Thank you very much to both of you

This is the path of the hobbyist. One step fwd and two back. It builds patience and character. The pinion swap isn’t too hard but the first time will test your intestinal fortitude. Just do it!

 

[Hec]

Hello,

I have found an original dial at a "reasonable" price, although I still need to get confirmation of use marks etc.

I know that IWC assembles its own calibre, but my question is: with the original dial do you think I could use the GEN 2892-A2 movement I bought?

Thanks to all of you

@KJ2020 @mclarendude

 

[mclarendude]

Hello,

I have found an original dial at a "reasonable" price, although I still need to get confirmation of use marks etc.

I know that IWC assembles its own calibre, but my question is: with the original dial do you think I could use the GEN 2892-A2 movement I bought?

Thanks to all of you

@KJ2020 @mclarendude

As far as I know, it should fit fine. I had an old Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra with an A2892 and I bought a gen dial (for Omega's 1120 caliber, same as 2892) and a new GEN 2892 and it fit fine.

 

[Hec]

As far as I know, it should fit fine. I had an old Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra with an A2892 and I bought a gen dial (for Omega's 1120 caliber, same as 2892) and a new GEN 2892 and it fit fine.

Thanks, if I finally get the gen dial I'll let you know.

 

[KJ2020]

I would ask the seller for two things:

Measurement of the outside diameter
Pic of the backside to see feet positions

Then compare these to your rep dial so you know for sure what you are buying

 

[Hec]

I would ask the seller for two things:

Measurement of the outside diameter
Pic of the backside to see feet positions

Then compare these to your rep dial so you know for sure what you are buying

Good point.

The gen dial has the feet in the same positions as the rep.

My measurement of the dial (it is 0.1 mm smaller than the gen, assuming the gen measurement is correct).

I don't have to worry about the handset issue? I will still have the rep, they should fit the 2892 movement?

 

[KJ2020]

I don't have to worry about the handset issue? I will still have the rep, they should fit the 2892 movement?

I can't say firsthand but that's a hand-movement issue having nothing to do with the dial. You can check that now by temp mounting the hands with no dial installed. Just be careful not to mar up your datewheel with the hands.

 

[Hec]

I can't say firsthand but that's a hand-movement issue having nothing to do with the dial. You can check that now by temp mounting the hands with no dial installed. Just be careful not to mar up your datewheel with the hands.

Sorry, let me get this straight.

1. I understand that the problem with the hands not going into the new movement is because of the pinion? I'm having trouble understanding this, I'm a novice. The dial and hands were perfect in the old movement (Clone).

2. You suggest that you try to mount the hands in the new movement (without the dial).

3. I understood that the problem is the space between the dial and the movement (in fact @mclarendude pointed out that the date was too close to the dial).

Sorry for the confusion but I made a bit of a mess.

P.D. Anyway I don't know what to do with the gen dial, at least in some pictures I see signs of use, I'm waiting for new pictures from the seller.

 

[kidcreole]

The problem you’re having with the hands has nothing to do with the dial (as long as the rep dial is not overly thick). As others have said the rep pinions are likely taller than the gen has. Therefore the gen pinions do not protrude through the dial sufficiently for the hand sleeves to mate properly. You can quickly understand this if you place the dial over the rep movement and observe the protrusion with a little magnification. Do the same with the gen. You’ll likely confirm Gen pinions are shorter. Also review the diagram to see the relationship in the top left. The pinions are the tubes that poke out of the dial that the hands slide over.

 

[mrsullivan]

Talking about 2892, what position should it be to remove the stem ? Time set (3rd) ?

 

[mrsullivan]

I found my own answer

 

[Hec]

I found my own answer

I'm a mere novice, but it's always advised (at least in all the videos I've seen and in tutorials) to remove the stem in the time setting position, the reason is to avoid a keyless (I did one myself on a 2824) although it was great because I learned how to fix it.

Always with the help of the teacher @Karbon74

 

[mrsullivan]

Well I always remove my 2824 ou 36 in time set position but had heard before that some other ETA references are preferably positioned in neutral/winding.
I've seen a couple of videos of stem removal of 2892 with the balance wheel running so I wanted to make sure.

I also realize the picture I just uploaded is for 2894