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Have you heard about the WM9 Daytona??

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So, after all the hype, it's still just a modified 7750 with the unreliable seconds at 6 module added on top. Only thing particularly nice is they squeezed it into a little bit thinner case apparently. I wonder how long this one will last, even with a full service.

This one will eventually die like all the others , these are a bomb with a lit fuse from the factory .. the length of the fuse will vary from watch to watch ,but they all go "BOOM"

I went thru several since they appeared in I think 2005? even had one that was modded and fully serviced by a well known watch-smith here on this forum, and that one died in 3 months!
I refuse to try another,unless they came out with a completely new movement ..I wish I had all the money I wasted on these , I would be 1/3 of the way to buying a GEN!
 

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shitty pics in a hurry

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Over all from case back to crystal these 2 measure out the same BUT...the cases are clearly different and the case backs are too. The thick CG seat is also there too.

Weird thing is the thin Cartel case is marked 16520 (which is an El Primero) and the serial is X419088 or 1991.

I am guessing that this guys movement is a modded 7750 with a flatter slimmer rotor to fit that old school case. The bezels look about the same but the crystal on the Newer case is a bit taller out of the bezel.

This is why I asked if there was a manual wind chrono movement that will line up with the El Primero's dial. I have ZERO issue hand winding an El Primero franken until I can score a Zenith 400 maybe.
 

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The top pic is a pic of the bad/slopey case, not the flat bezel case.

In the bottom set of pics, it does look as if your bezel is flatter. The ridge I was talking about on the case back is also visible on your watch.
 

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The top pic is a pic of the bad/slopey case, not the flat bezel case.

In the bottom set of pics, it does look as if your bezel is flatter. The ridge I was talking about on the case back is also visible on your watch.

Look, it is totally different even looking at any angls. Its bezel bevel angle is perpectly same as Gen.

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Looking at my gen TT, your case looks slightly fatter. The bezel is nice and flat so you definitely have something worth a damn.

Very nice, I just read this entire thread and I am astonished by this watch if its a WM9 or not!
 

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The flange on the backside of the case ID's as a V1 Cartel Case...period...whatever aftermarket bezel is modded to fit it. Same case, hell I got one too.
The flange that the case back seats to, this flange.

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Fat newer 116520 case
 

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Look, it is totally different even looking at any angls. Its bezel bevel angle is perpectly same as Gen.

Yep, but look at the height of the crystal over the bezel edge. It's way tall. Looks to me like they updated the cartel bezel to make it flatter (and it looks very very nice) but the crystal height had to stay the same.

Compare to the pics in txrob's post, the case profile looks the same (especially the flange), it's just the bezel that's different. The bezel is a separate piece to the case.
 

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The flange that the case back seats to, this flange.

Like I said, I had an idea once about grinding the flange off to make the case thinner. This would move the caseback closer to the movement, so you'd have to take something off of the back of the movement, but I bet just removing the rotor would give you enough clearance.
 

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I'll let you build mine as sneed uberTona...as long as I can have it back when your done???
 

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I'll let you build mine as sneed uberTona...as long as I can have it back when your done???

Well, the problem is I'm not sure if it would work. I'm perfectly happy to destroy my own watch, but nervous about doing it to someone else's :)
 

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Its just a case with a submariner crystal in it....how can you destroy that lol.
 

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Well, the problem is I'm not sure if it would work. I'm perfectly happy to destroy my own watch, but nervous about doing it to someone else's :)

I'm sure the other problem on your mind is : why mess with a watch that's probably going to break at the end of the day. I still have no faith in an Asian 7750 even less faith in a sec at 6

What I would love is a hand wind or even a 21j that has very high quality case/bracelet etc.

I also saw on RG there was a quartz movement in an IWC that mimics an automatic sweep. That would be fantastic
 

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Bulova has a Precisionist Quartz that beats at 57,000...bad ass. I am hunting info on a manual wind that could work.
 

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Its just a case with a submariner crystal in it....how can you destroy that lol.

Well, I can imagine grinding off the flange and then finding out that there isn't enough thread left in the case to hold the caseback on. Yes, I'd try to go a little at a time, but...

Also, even if the case thickness was made correct, you'd still have the issue of stem height, the crown would be much too low and that's not fixable.

I'm sure the other problem on your mind is : why mess with a watch that's probably going to break at the end of the day. I still have no faith in an Asian 7750 even less faith in a sec at 6

None of my sec@6 7750s have ever died on me, and I've owned more than a dozen.
 

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:cny:All you hear about is the dead ones,

A recent investigation into a Chinese chrono with the
additional sub dial at the 6 o'clock position found the movement to be devoid of
oil except for the balance. In that instance it was apparently done on purpose
to reduce friction on the additional parts and allow the watch to keep running.



When one almost triples the number of gears in any mechanical device, one of two
things is going to have to happen, 1) the power input will have to be increased,
or 2) the drag due too friction will have to be reduced. The "El Primero" 7750
(not to be confuse with the standard 7753 style layout[1]) simply runs the base
except movement at very nearly it maximum capacity.
. There are two different horizontal tri-compax automatic chronographs based on
the 7750 available from China. One has the El Primero lay out (not my writing this was copy and pasted from WUS) (I think he meant the Rolex 4030) was with the running
seconds at 6, and the minute and hour counters at 9 and 3 respectively. The
other has the same layout as the base 7750, except the minute counter is moved
to the 3 position; and unlike the ETA/Valjoux 7753, which shares the dial
layout, the Chinese version manages to keep the quick set date function, big
plus. This movement is the one to get if you need a horizontal tri-compax
automatic chronograph. I have only heard of the "el premero" 7750 being used in
counterfeits (replica)

Chew on that a minute fellas...
 

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There are two different horizontal tri-compax automatic chronographs based on
the 7750 available from China. One has the El Premero lay out with the running
seconds at 6, and the minute and hour counters at 9 and 3 respectively.

You shouldn't be calling this the "El Primero" layout, since it is not. It's the layout of the Rolex 4130 movement. The Zenith El Primero, and the Rolex 4030 movement that was based on it, both have running seconds at 9 (but not geometrically in the same place as a stock 7750).
 

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You shouldn't be calling this the "El Primero" layout, since it is not. It's the layout of the Rolex 4130 movement. The Zenith El Primero, and the Rolex 4030 movement that was based on it, both have running seconds at 9 (but not geometrically in the same place as a stock 7750).

The Omega PO chrono sub dial spacing is much the same as the el primero.

There is a 7750 based sec@9 primero out there. Silix has it, but the sub dial spacing is still miles off.

http://www.silix-prime.co/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=115_158_220&products_id=1837

If they could work the magic that is done to the PO then the spacing would be much better and an el primero 4030 based rep could be made. OK the case thickness would still be wrong, but I'm sure most people could overlook that. Or use the case above where the bezel is flatter.

I'm not sure why the factories aren't bothering with this as they make a huge range of other vintage daytonas. The El Primero based daytona is still very collectable in the gen world.....so why not replicate it?
 

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You shouldn't be calling this the "El Primero" layout, since it is not. It's the layout of the Rolex 4130 movement. The Zenith El Primero, and the Rolex 4030 movement that was based on it, both have running seconds at 9 (but not geometrically in the same place as a stock 7750). But I edited the text. TY

I didnt, I copy and pasted it from WatchYouSeek