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GPF 2/56, the “Big Egizianoâ€
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tootall said:
Edited my previous post to be a bit more on topic and friendly. Sorry, not enough coffee yet this morning. I never said 60mm, BTW, someone else put that out there as the size of the gen. If it was more the 53mm size of the RWC watch, I could be in. I'd prefer a base dial, though, so the spacing of the subdial would be a non-issue. If it was more than 55mm INCLUDING the CG, I'd not buy it.
I am guessing here, but I think step 1 might be getting an idea of how many are committed; step 2 might be organizing a group buy whereas you say I have 30 guys who want one now, once it's built you should sell more. If your base run is 100 (or 1000) how much do you need to make a production run?
You then have a third choice of a) dividing cost of entire run by the 30 that are definate and then selling rest as profit (if you are a dealer) not sure what actual cost of this run might be, but if it is $3000 USD to make 1000 PRC manufactured reps--that would cost the 30 people $100 per watch and the seller would make a killing (now you know why I get pissed over QC issues when you thinkabout actual cost). Even if it cost $5000 USD that' still only $167 per rep for the 30 involved.
or b) you can be a nice guy and a venture capitalist and sell them for $100 a piece and make your profit when they all sell.
But it can be done
CISO
You then have a third choice of a) dividing cost of entire run by the 30 that are definate and then selling rest as profit (if you are a dealer) not sure what actual cost of this run might be, but if it is $3000 USD to make 1000 PRC manufactured reps--that would cost the 30 people $100 per watch and the seller would make a killing (now you know why I get pissed over QC issues when you thinkabout actual cost). Even if it cost $5000 USD that' still only $167 per rep for the 30 involved.
or b) you can be a nice guy and a venture capitalist and sell them for $100 a piece and make your profit when they all sell.
But it can be done
CISO
Hi All.....the RWC watch is a nice thing and of course just 47mm in size, the real Egiziano is a tad bigger and I show you a pic on a normal man´s wrist (7.6 inch)...you can see it is still huge and BTW I tried this monster on my wrist in early March....no way I can ever wear it outside the house, the CG is a pain, weight is no problem (Aloy)....
TO DAVIDSEN:
...if you will do a 47mm rep, use a normal 6497, put a nice CG on it, full ss caseback with a nice (vintage styled) engraving (e.g. EGYPTIAN NAVY), a brown/faded black/grey dial and small second hands...YOU WILL DEF. HAVE A HOTSELLER!!!
These are just me 0.02$
Theo
TO DAVIDSEN:
...if you will do a 47mm rep, use a normal 6497, put a nice CG on it, full ss caseback with a nice (vintage styled) engraving (e.g. EGYPTIAN NAVY), a brown/faded black/grey dial and small second hands...YOU WILL DEF. HAVE A HOTSELLER!!!
These are just me 0.02$
Theo
Davidsen, what's the seconds subdial spacing on a Seagull ST-19? Those things are pretty rock solid, and it'd be a manual wind. Obviously you'd remove the chrono functions... Might work?
You've changed the topic with your picture. Here's a 95%+ accurate scale image, using the 24mm strap as the key:tootall said:
I've included a 187 and 111 for scale.
Pugwash, thanks for that. My picture was 100% to scale, but thank you for adding the 111. As you can see it's not that far off. especially from the 187. You did scale the picture from inside of the lugs and not the strap correct?
I think this whole getting off topic thing is a matter of semantics. I meant those people who posted those 5 or 6 pictures of other watches and then started discussing them.
I think this whole getting off topic thing is a matter of semantics. I meant those people who posted those 5 or 6 pictures of other watches and then started discussing them.
I'm not the one who made the assertion that 60mm+ was the size of the gen. I was simply commenting on the size that someone else had posted. *That's* the difference. I never said the Egiziano was 60mm+, I simply said 60mm+ would be way too big for me. :wink:
I think Pug's post has illustrated that the Egiziano appears (from photos) to be substantially bigger than the 187. Which wears big, by all accounts, even for a 47mm PAM.
I think Pug's post has illustrated that the Egiziano appears (from photos) to be substantially bigger than the 187. Which wears big, by all accounts, even for a 47mm PAM.
Well,
That Big Egiziano supposed to mean a huge watch by definition.
Making a 47mm Egiziano would mean making MINI Egiziano.
When I saw that comparsion pic ot this watch also side with a 47mm fiddy.My rough estimate measuremnt
of that huge watch is around 52-53 mm wihtout crown and 62-63 mm lug to lug.
If that measurment is close to the Gens,,that is really a Huge monster watch.
May be too big for most people.It is hard to justify for a produciton run on this model.
That Big Egiziano supposed to mean a huge watch by definition.
Making a 47mm Egiziano would mean making MINI Egiziano.
When I saw that comparsion pic ot this watch also side with a 47mm fiddy.My rough estimate measuremnt
of that huge watch is around 52-53 mm wihtout crown and 62-63 mm lug to lug.
If that measurment is close to the Gens,,that is really a Huge monster watch.
May be too big for most people.It is hard to justify for a produciton run on this model.
Ok here's my latest version of the comparison drawing. I was a little liberal in the outline just to give it the worst case scenario. Hope you all like it. It is larger, but I am not sure if "I" would say substantial. But that's just my opinion. I think it's great to have all this discussion about one of the only true Panerai pieces. I don't mean to argue with anyone and if that's the way it came across, I'm sorry. The whole "stay on topic" thing was not directed to everyone but only to those who posted the pics of those other watches.
I think the feaures are worth mentioning as well. Such as a vintage type crown guard and crown. A rotating bezel. Vintage type hands. This would be a whole new watch and just what the rep world needs IMO. The idea of a 47mm version is looking better and better to me.
I think the feaures are worth mentioning as well. Such as a vintage type crown guard and crown. A rotating bezel. Vintage type hands. This would be a whole new watch and just what the rep world needs IMO. The idea of a 47mm version is looking better and better to me.
It's kool and all, but methinks for a girl-scout wrist guy like me (7.25 inches) I can't imagine to wear it...
EDIT: I saw the comparison pics again, and I can take a slytech 202--so that means I can take the egiziano! I think...
EDIT: I saw the comparison pics again, and I can take a slytech 202--so that means I can take the egiziano! I think...
Stop with the photochopped comparison of two *photos*. Davidsen kindly posted a pic of the gen Egiziano next to a Fiddy. The Egiziano is HUGE. No way is that case even close to 47mm...
hooligan said:
Hooligan, these "photochopped" pictures are to scale. They are very representative of what size it would actually be. The picture that Davidsen showed is a nice picutre, but at an obtuse angle which distorts the view/scale.
So while "you" may not like them. They are true to scale. Based on what? Strap width? While I applaud the effort, you're still dealing with comparing one photo to another. I'll take the "distorted" angle of both watches in the same pic. Face it, man, that Egiziano is BIG. :wink:
These photos may help ... the real deal on a guy's wrist ...
Hi all,
i hope these photos help - while the watch is too large for daily wear (*for me*) , that's just mho. I'm sure many here would feel fine / comfortable wearing a watch this size. These photos clearly show just how large the watch is - this fella isn't a small guy as you can see ...
While the strap may very well be 24mm - the lugs are quite wide / robust adding a good deal to the width of the case. Hope these are helpful and best of luck w/ the project !
Kind Regards,
Bill
Hi all,
i hope these photos help - while the watch is too large for daily wear (*for me*) , that's just mho. I'm sure many here would feel fine / comfortable wearing a watch this size. These photos clearly show just how large the watch is - this fella isn't a small guy as you can see ...
While the strap may very well be 24mm - the lugs are quite wide / robust adding a good deal to the width of the case. Hope these are helpful and best of luck w/ the project !
Kind Regards,
Bill
I still want one
As far as costs, was it the initial required run I got wrong? or forgetting additional cost of tooling up, CAD drawings (if that's what they use?) etc? just curious
CISO
As far as costs, was it the initial required run I got wrong? or forgetting additional cost of tooling up, CAD drawings (if that's what they use?) etc?
just curiousCISO
I'm in!
Look, this thing is big, no doubt about it. We can debate the degrees of "bigness" all day long and it still won't get us anywhere.
I have a 7" wrist and I'd wear the damned thing. That's basically because I don't really care what anybody else thinks of what I'm wearing.
I think it's a great piece of Panerai history and I think a rep would be awesome. It's a certain and immediate "out" by any risti worth his salt, but who cares?
If you can get it done with some degree of accuracy and work out the movement issue, I'm def. in for one!
Thanks for spearheading the preliminary discussions.
Savage
Look, this thing is big, no doubt about it. We can debate the degrees of "bigness" all day long and it still won't get us anywhere.
I have a 7" wrist and I'd wear the damned thing. That's basically because I don't really care what anybody else thinks of what I'm wearing.
I think it's a great piece of Panerai history and I think a rep would be awesome. It's a certain and immediate "out" by any risti worth his salt, but who cares?
If you can get it done with some degree of accuracy and work out the movement issue, I'm def. in for one!
Thanks for spearheading the preliminary discussions.
Savage
Hey, get back to work on my strap! :wink:
Yep, safe to say there are enough big watch guys here that you could sell a few. How many? That's always a much tougher guesstimate. Tons of people will say yes, but how many of them will actually shell out the cake?
Not I. 47mm is as big as I go.
I applaud you for even considering taking this on, though, tootall. I'd love to see it repped, I just wouldn't buy one.
Yep, safe to say there are enough big watch guys here that you could sell a few. How many? That's always a much tougher guesstimate. Tons of people will say yes, but how many of them will actually shell out the cake?
Not I. 47mm is as big as I go.
I applaud you for even considering taking this on, though, tootall. I'd love to see it repped, I just wouldn't buy one.