Got called out today...

[Natron]

for what its worth it was black along with black sweat pants along with flip flops so it was a cool beach look

Thats not cool at any beach I go to..LOL. Just kidding dude. It sucks to be called out anywhere.

Natron

 

[amptor]

There's a guy here at work that was going to buy a TOG from me and backed out, then he goes to this other employee who has a gen datejust telling him mine is fake. Then one day he brought in a fake GMT and was telling all the coworkers that his GMT is real, and I took it and the time setting and all is flimsy (must be that crappy asian movement that nobody here likes, what was it 7715 or something I don't own one so I keep forgetting) anyway, so I told the guy with the datejust that his GMT is fake. An eye for an eye. I think it takes more class to not go around spreading that someone's watch is fake in the first place. But I don't really care if coworkers know my watches are real or not, there's basically no women here to get worried about. If dudes know it is fake what do I lose? nothing. lol.

 

[Arlequin]

Read this thread from its start.

We don't know anything about the dealer's personility

Now I know what exactly a wife-beater is I think I know why he call maxse out. Pehaps the dealer had preconceptions too (about wife-beaters) in exactly the same way as everybody's been talking about other preconseption. Perhaps he thought anyone wearing a wife beater wouldn't have a gen.The same way he would have called out some other group he didn't respect - a black guy, an oriental, or anyone else that he thought couln't afford a gen.

Perhaps the casual look just didn't exude class. or carry it off in the way that maxse thought it did. Who knows.

No offence meant, but perhaps we are now talking about somebody else's suppositions.

Just enjot your watch maxse for what they are, good, generally well made fun toys that look good and make you wonder why most gens cost
so much.

His actions didn't have class but probably reinforced his suppositions and that's why he carried on with the additional comments when he prejudged maxse as one of a group of people he may have despised.
He's still an a'hole.

 

[d4m.test]

Glad you had some good dinner. I'm about to have some late dinner myself

just though that I would mention that he wasn't even wearing a watch at the time.
He also owns the jewelry store on 47th street in NYC.

I just want to hear some responses you guys would give at this point.

If he has a store on 47th it is likely in the diamond district. He is probably not an AD at all, but a jewler who specailizes in diamonds and sells vintage watches to augment his living... or.. he has space in a diamond store... either way i doubt he is an AD and I doubt he sells new watches. He gets his watches from other dealers who in turn get them from estate sales etc... It is unlikeky he is an expert, and it is unlikely he called you out based on his knowledge of the watch.

So.. he either felt you did not fit the part (very presumptuous on his part IMO) or he just got lucky.

 

[efnstefn]

BOTTOM LINE!

If you don't want to get called out.......wear a gen!

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Damn, what amazing pearls of wisdom from that obnoxious twit efnstefn.

 

[OiRogers]

Re: BOTTOM LINE!

If you don't want to get called out.......wear a gen!

Or... wear a *nicer* shirt with your expensive looking rep.... or a cheaper looking rep... (tag, some omegas...)
Wifebeater, redneckformalwear, Kentucky Tuxedo... either way, where I come from your shirt choice speaks loads.

No one would wear such a shirt to a BBQ in my area, no matter how casual ... sweatpants either.... Perhaps things are different in your area.
I'd be guessing (as about 50 people have prior in this thread) that the OP was called out more by his dress than any *tell* the watch has.

I don't think I've worn sweat pants or a [insert least favorite ethnic group] formal wear type shirt out of the house in at least 20 years. But hey... one way or the other, the Caller Out in this situation is a class A douche.

He was correct, as Pugwash pointed out, but a douche none the less.

 

[JohnnySac]

HOLY CRAP!!!!!!

IMO you're trying way too hard to make your replica into something it's not if you want to go so far as to attempt to fool someone who has opened the caseback. I thought you already decided that you wouldn't be handing your watch over to someone again? Do you really feel the need to let someone do that to "prove your watch is real"? The only person who should be opening the caseback is yourself or someone fixing or modding your watch. And if they're doing that, the movement is not gonna stand up to the scrutiny.

Accept your watch for what it is - an imitation that will fool most people but is not the real deal. If it matters that much to you and you say you can afford the gen, perhaps you should re-evaluate owing a rep and get the real thing.

My $0.02 Monopoly money.

OMFG!
@ MaxSe
Dude what are you talking about?
I mean it's your watch and your actions. We as rep collectors, hobbyists, whatever tried to I guess help you but WHY oh WHY do you keep picking at the wounds?

It sounds like you really have something to prove.
Even though he was not your friend he OWNED you.
It didn't matter if he was a dick or not, friend or not HE was right about your watch.

It sucks to have that feeling but that feeling is an association of owning a copy of the Genuine artifact when it is discovered it is fake and how unfortunate for you it was around people you know/did not know.
REgardless If he knew the exact tells or not -feel, build quality and overall craftsmanship will tell any jeweler with common sense and competency your watch wasn't a Breitling. If you were in any way surprised anyone, a "jeweler" no less figured it out then you can't truly believe it looked that real to begin with could you?

Please man, get the Gen or admit it is fake or don't do anything.
You do NOT have to justify your means, or reasons WHY you got yourself a rep...
The moment to have stood up to this doosh has long since passed. It is over. You'll be more equipped (we hope) to deal with this sort of thing just by reading the majority of these posts.

To sum it up and I'm not out to make you feel bad as this was done to me as well....
Remember this-you don't owe anything to anyone that is out to discredit you as this dude attempted and succeeded at doing.
An accusation -in your case passing a rep as a Gen- is only ONE dick's opinion.
Don't just fold and hand anyone your watch!!!!!
Perhaps next time be offensive (not insulting) and ask the jeweler what types of watches does he carry and deal with? Name em for him, Seiko, Bulova,Hamilton,ESQ, Tag, -slowly inching up in brand recognition and notice I started with Japanese.....
-If he deals with 200.00 watches it is quite clear any accusation he throws at you can be quickly refuted just by saying, "well unless you work at" (name reputable and distinguished jewelers) "then it is quite clear your knowledge of swiss made timepieces qualifies as either a novice or a second rate timex authorised dealer."

Done. He'll be talking to himself as you won't have to say another word.

 

[Hambone]

The point here is that if you carry yourself with an air of confidence, no one is going to bother you, but if you look like a shifty eyed slouch in a wife beater, then you are apt to get picked on...starting with the fake Breitling.

 

[JohnnySac]

@Hambone......

Please indulge me if you will and tell me where you grew up?
That logic may work based on your demographic....But it does not work everywhere.

I know people who wear wifebeaters that would make you piss your pants IF you had the balls to call them "shifty eyed slouches."

Point is -You never know- How you can generalize people without knowing them is beyond me..
On the internet people act all tough hiding behind their firewall but I doubt it is the same in public.

 

[pugwash]

I know people who wear wifebeaters that would make you piss your pants IF you had the balls to call them "shifty eyed slouches."

I don't get it. What has this got to do with anything?

 

[Jumbie]

Don't know.

I think someone watched too many Sopranos episodes.

Either way, incontinence sucks. lol

 

[The Chap In The Boot]

Don't know.

I think someone watched too many Sopranos episodes.

BTW, real mafiosi wear gen watches. They could even own jewelleries. That's good at money laundering. Coke dealing and prostitution yield a lot of money. They could wear reps in the first times only

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXNatjylC-g :lol:

Few days ago I went in a shop a the young salesclerk was wearing a catchy glimmering gold daytona with white dial. Immediately thought it was fake. I thought that his wage is probably around 1500 USD/month. How could you think he had bought a gen ?

It's true, prejudice here is the main element in judgement. In almost evreybody's mind who wears a gen must have the aspect or role of a well-off guy.
On the contrary, in certain situations, to be well dressed and having a good rep - not at an excessive one - can be a way to seem more rich than you are. I like to have a rep when I hit on chicks, for instance :lol:

 

[Jumbie]

Don't know.

I think someone watched too many Sopranos episodes.

BTW, real mafiosi wear gen watches. They could even own jewelleries. That's good at money laundering. Coke dealing and prostitution yield a lot of money.

Sure. I'd certainly guess so although I em entirely clueless about the world of crime besides what TV tells me.

I was just making a joke in reply to pug's comment about what STUGOTZ said because Stugotz is the name of Tony Soprano's boat on the HBO series.

On the contrary, in certain situations, to be well dressed and having a good rep - not at an excessive one - can be a way to seem more rich than you are.

Indeed. I completely agree.

Depending on my job though which, let's say I was just starting out at and didn't have a lot of money, I would invest in a good suit (preferably tailored) and shoes before buying a gen watch. Thank goodness for almost perfect replicas though so there doesn't have to be a choice.

 

[JohnnySac]

try to have an open mind PW.....

I know people who wear wifebeaters that would make you piss your pants IF you had the balls to call them "shifty eyed slouches."

I don't get it. What has this got to do with anything?

Ok.
For me I think it would be better having this conversation in person.
I can't really put enough emphasis on the matter with just words.

What I mean (to be basic and blunt) is generalizations are very ignorant in todays society, or atleast inserting those generalizations where I am currently residing are considering not everything can be figured based on attire, appearance and sizing someone up and down.

It is all about respect plain and simple. Maybe everyone or the majority have problems being real and saying what they feel while others tell it like it is? I don't know but I can tell you without having to make up stories

I know Marines that are kind, loyal minded and do not retalliate if they are made fun of.
I also know Marines that use their training as a means to hurt people physically.

I know gangmembers that actually help the community and do not fight, kill or deface public or personal property.
I also know gangmembers that randomly hit people up, and kill rival members thinking they made their gang look hard, when in reality they are killing themselves.

There are so many variables that are involved, and there are so many people that label people that don't fall into the "general" opinion of well known types of people such as Marines and Gangmembers.

You and I know (I think) that MANY people care what others think about them...
Living in Orange County has actually humbled me. People take out 96month leases to drive a new (insert unaffordable car here)!! It is unbelievable... People needed the Million Dollar home in Orange County so they took out 80/20 loans, having an interest only loan just to be able to live here.... The scary part is reality never sets in -who cares what other people think- and they realize too late that they do not own anything.
I am sure people on the outside looking in would say, "thats crazy! I'd never do that.." Then you understand the sheep mentality....

Back on topic..


Wearing a wife beater doesn't mean you are a shifty eyed slouch, as Hambone said previously.
HIS perception says it does though....
No worries thats what he sees... FRom the Op's own words and posts, I gather he does care what other people think... Nobody makes you feel inferior without your permission and lets not forget if an insult makes you feel bad you probably deserved it....

 

[pugwash]

Re: try to have an open mind PW.....

I have a very open mind. It's just that your statement didn't seem to fit the discussion at all. Much like if I said I knew greengrocers who made amazing salads. It might be true, it might be made up, but it has absolutely no bearing at all on the discussion at hand.

Back on sort-of-topic, generalisations are a sign of stupidity and everyone who makes them is stupid. Oh, wait ... that's a generalisation. Um, let me try again. :?

There are generalisations and there are statistics. You can argue with both of them until you're blue in the face, but statistics are statistics. You may know an exception to every preconception anyone ever makes, but nine times out of ten, they'll be right. We use prejudice (in the old meaning of pre-judging, not in the more recent meaning of bigotry) as a survival technique. Like if you see a bunch of young men wearing gang colours loitering in a gas station, your survival instincts (prejudice) will suggest that you drive to the next station. Just because they may be actors practising a routine from West Side Story, are you going to test that remotest of remote theories? (Yes, yes, I know a bunch of you are going to say you'd drive in anyway because you're not afraid and you've got a glock in the dash, but that's just posturing.) We survive because we have prejudices, like it or not. They are what drive instinctive reactions.

There's an old medical adage: "If you hear hoof beats, think horses, not zebras"

 

[Jumbie]

Re: try to have an open mind PW.....

Ok.
For me I think it would be better having this conversation in person.
I can't really put enough emphasis on the matter with just words.

What I mean (to be basic and blunt) is generalizations are very ignorant in todays society, or atleast inserting those generalizations where I am currently residing are considering not everything can be figured based on attire, appearance and sizing someone up and down.

It is all about respect plain and simple. Maybe everyone or the majority have problems being real and saying what they feel while others tell it like it is? I don't know but I can tell you without having to make up stories

I know Marines that are kind, loyal minded and do not retalliate if they are made fun of.
I also know Marines that use their training as a means to hurt people physically.

I know gangmembers that actually help the community and do not fight, kill or deface public or personal property.
I also know gangmembers that randomly hit people up, and kill rival members thinking they made their gang look hard, when in reality they are killing themselves.

There are so many variables that are involved, and there are so many people that label people that don't fall into the "general" opinion of well known types of people such as Marines and Gangmembers.

You and I know (I think) that MANY people care what others think about them...
Living in Orange County has actually humbled me. People take out 96month leases to drive a new (insert unaffordable car here)!! It is unbelievable... People needed the Million Dollar home in Orange County so they took out 80/20 loans, having an interest only loan just to be able to live here.... The scary part is reality never sets in -who cares what other people think- and they realize too late that they do not own anything.
I am sure people on the outside looking in would say, "thats crazy! I'd never do that.." Then you understand the sheep mentality....

Back on topic..


Wearing a wife beater doesn't mean you are a shifty eyed slouch, as Hambone said previously.
HIS perception says it does though....
No worries thats what he sees... FRom the Op's own words and posts, I gather he does care what other people think... Nobody makes you feel inferior without your permission and lets not forget if an insult makes you feel bad you probably deserved it....

Good post. Especially that last part that was back on topic.

Too many people do live beyond their means; unfortunately. For them anyway.

I'm not sure about the shifty eyed slouch thing. I don't think he intended to say that just because you wear certain clothes that it makes you look that way, but rather that if you're wearing a wifebeater, etc. and also present that appearance that you come off as extra "unfitting". My personal opinion is that no matter what you're wearing, being shifty eyed isn't a good look. lol

In any case, that comment was out of left field. I don't know why it was brought up in the first place.

In the end, one has to come to terms with the fact that generalizations and stereotypes don't just occur out of thin air. They usually come about for a reason. Sometimes they're not justified i.e. the person isn't the stereotypical form of their appearance or the stereotyper could just be a bigotted, ignorant ass, but most times they are.

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Pugwash said it above much better than I could even try to.

For what it's worth, I'd likely be bypassing that gas station.

[/edit]

 

[Hambone]

@ Stugotz, perhaps my choice of words pushed your buttons? To clarify again just for you, what I was trying to say is that if you do not carry yourself with an air of confidence and you are wearing expensive items like watches, human nature is such that you are going to get picked on, it is just that simple, and no I did not grow up on the East Coast but I still have no problem calling someone a shift eyed slouch to their face. Are you a shifty eyed slouch Stugotz? Is that why you get so hot and defensive? :lol: I know many decent gentlemen who wear "wife beaters". I am not refering to the shirt itself but the person inside of it.

 

[maxse]

wow I had no idea that this thread was going ot get so long lol.

BTW I am no slouch and have a pretty muscular build so it looked good on me. Oh well I guess you guys are right in a way that this guy generalized. I just want ot make sure that he didnt know for sure which he seemed to.

But yea I have moved on already. Thanks everyone again.

 

[sexybeast]

fake or replica are such harsh words, can we say omage' instead :lol:

 

[pugwash]

fake or replica are such harsh words, can we say omage' instead :lol:

Not while you're breaking trademarks.