Gen vs Vsf hulk

[CsViking]

Mhmm is it possible that LV and LN used different cases? Surely not? Even rolex can't be this extra.

Here's a photo of a gen LN I found online, looks quite sharp like VSF. I swear I have seen a gen hulk that have the same CG but I can't seem to find it anymore haha, a lot of image results online does show softer CG. I'm now confused.

again its not as sharp as vsf the low light make it looks more sharp than it is

 

[ForecastMax]

Mhmm is it possible that LV and LN used different cases? Surely not?

No, same 116610 case. Just different dials and bezel insert.

VS has 1:1 CG to gen, period.

Photos are one thing but are rarely in the same lighting or angle.

Seeing VS and Gen 116610 in hand, they are identical.

 

[Tobel]

Max these are not polished 2018 and 2020 gen hulk. They don't look boxy and sharp they look properly finished with soft edges. I can't find a pic of a gen with CG like the VSF.

Even tobel back shot of the VSF and gen are different shapes.

I got 2 in front of me and their crownguards are identifical to gen.

I also have a ZF and the crownguards are not as good, not slanted like they should be.
Based on the feedback from others, it looks to me like you got one bad VSF with imperfect crownguards or a fake VSF.

 

[Yogibear]

I got 2 in front of me and their crownguards are identifical to gen.

I also have a ZF and the crownguards are not as good, not slanted like they should be.
Based on the feedback from others, it looks to me like you got one bad VSF with imperfect crownguards or a fake VSF.

The pics you posted of the back showed different shapes. Can you post the back of the ZF and Gen?

My VSF is pre raids. No doubt it feels cheaper in hand due to its poorly finished edges. It's pretty evident when your holding it and Gen. Gen is gen but that gen feeling is definitely more on the ZF than VSF. You can't feel that at all?

 

[Tobel]

The pics you posted of the back showed different shapes. Can you post the back of the ZF and Gen?

My VSF is pre raids. No doubt it feels cheaper in hand due to its poorly finished edges. It's pretty evident when your holding it and Gen. Gen is gen but that gen feeling is definitely more on the ZF than VSF. You can't feel that at all?

You're mixing 3 different topics
1) the crown guard shape from the back: as per my picture and my comment, the shapes are identical between VSF and gen, you're making up differences. I'll post a comparison with the ZF but I didn't say ZF is not good in that aspect, I just defended the VSF

2) the crown guard shape from the side: VSF wins easily as it has the slanted crownguards and ZF doesn't

3) the gen feeling, which I never discussed. On this one ootb the bracelet of the ZF feels better, but I'm sure with a baby oil bath they will feel the same. However my ZF has a crown that is gritty when the VSF is super smooth, and winding the VR on the ZF is definitely less gen-like than winding the VS3135. So overall VSF is also a winner here. And the edges of my 2 VSF are well finished, nothing to complain about here
now there's also other differences such as SEL recession which is not as good on ZF, but SELs are tighter than the VSF. Crystal is much better on ZF as well as datewheel. However there's a mismatch of Lume between hands and dial on the ZF.

So as usual pick the flaws you can live with

 

[Tobel]

Yogibear here's the comparison between gen (left) and ZF (right). As you can see the ZF is not bad, with the only small issue being that the crown sticks out just a tiny bit too much but it's hard to tell without zooming
Now given that this is a VSF Vs. Gen thread, this will be the only ZF pic that I share. If you want to continue this conversation let's find a better suited thread

 

[muiramas]

I have a VSF LV - the CG are the same as the LN. The VSF CG’s are the right shape - ZF is wrong - I’m surprised this is even being discussed.

 

[Yogibear]

Yogibear here's the comparison between gen (left) and ZF (right). As you can see the ZF is not bad, with the only small issue being that the crown sticks out just a tiny bit too much but it's hard to tell without zooming
Now given that this is a VSF Vs. Gen thread, this will be the only ZF pic that I share. If you want to continue this conversation let's find a better suited thread

Yea I see that the ZF crown sits a tad higher. I think that's why the VSF looks weird in the back to me because of it sitting lower. And why it looks longer from the front shots.

Tbf I've seen some bad ZF QC with really low sitting crowns. I guess bad stem.

 

[Yogibear]

You're mixing 3 different topics
1) the crown guard shape from the back: as per my picture and my comment, the shapes are identical between VSF and gen, you're making up differences. I'll post a comparison with the ZF but I didn't say ZF is not good in that aspect, I just defended the VSF

2) the crown guard shape from the side: VSF wins easily as it has the slanted crownguards and ZF doesn't

3) the gen feeling, which I never discussed. On this one ootb the bracelet of the ZF feels better, but I'm sure with a baby oil bath they will feel the same. However my ZF has a crown that is gritty when the VSF is super smooth, and winding the VR on the ZF is definitely less gen-like than winding the VS3135. So overall VSF is also a winner here. And the edges of my 2 VSF are well finished, nothing to complain about here
now there's also other differences such as SEL recession which is not as good on ZF, but SELs are tighter than the VSF. Crystal is much better on ZF as well as datewheel. However there's a mismatch of Lume between hands and dial on the ZF.

So as usual pick the flaws you can live with

Could be some VSF batches had rough finishing and that's what I got. I've seen others bring it up too but then it always confused me when other members would say "my VSF feels so gen" .... I'm reading it thinking WTF are they feeling haha.

Yea you got turn down 4 or 5 QC unfortunately before you can find a good Recession one. Hands no rep factory will make like gen so that and crystal I swap with Gen.

Like you said comes down to the stuff you can live with.

 

[StreetFighter]

It's maybe to do with angles and depth of field? Here is a close up of my 2018 genuine 116610LN. Bought new by me, worn daily and never polished..

The top CG here looks like ZF, (I was taking a pic of the DW gloss)..

..however, line the same watch up against a 2020 VSF116610LN and the CG's near 1:1.

Until someone does the same with a Genuine Sub and a ZF / CF / WTF, we are not going to know for sure. What we do know is, the VSF116610 is good.

 

[mac83]

StreetFighter your crystal and cyclops definitely look great, I have a 126610LN vsf and feel it’s abit blurry.

Doesn’t look to be bad when you take a pic but I’m person slightly off.


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[CsViking]

the lugs is off i think they look more rounded than they should on 41mm sub

 

[Tobel]

the lugs is off i think they look more rounded than they should on 41mm sub

Guys as the title says, this thread is about the VSF hulk, which is the 116610 40mm so let's please stick to topic

 

[CsViking]

Guys as the title says, this thread is about the VSF hulk, which is the 116610 40mm so let's please stick to topic

You are right as I said before the vsf hulk is is not so good rep becouse of the green dial.LN black vsf is good.. But after time I think for 2022 the rehaut of all vsf is bad the hands are not as good as many new reps and bracelet has faults on vsf .. but I like the vs3135…at the post who has the best hulk vsf wins but for real the dial and the bezel on the hulk it’s the most important and it’s been a lot of time since the comparison a lot of reps now is better than the version who were compare with the vsf and the vsf doesn’t change so I think that’s why these days vsf should cost 400 euros

 

[mac83]

You are right as I said before the vsf hulk is is not so good rep becouse of the green dial.LN black vsf is good.. But after time I think for 2022 the rehaut of all vsf is bad the hands are not as good as many new reps and bracelet has faults on vsf .. but I like the vs3135…at the post who has the best hulk vsf wins but for real the dial and the bezel on the hulk it’s the most important and it’s been a lot of time since the comparison a lot of reps now is better than the version who were compare with the vsf and the vsf doesn’t change so I think that’s why these days vsf should cost 400 euros

I think the Hulk is a good if not great rep, yes the colour is slightly off but in some if not most angles and lighting its almost bang on. And I still think the VSF has the better dial of all the reps.

 

[Yogibear]

StreetFighter your crystal and cyclops definitely look great, I have a 126610LN vsf and feel it’s abit blurry.

Doesn’t look to be bad when you take a pic but I’m person slightly off.


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Yea Gen crystal is a must. You will appreciate the watch more too.

 

[mac83]

Yea Gen crystal is a must. You will appreciate the watch more too.

Any achnace you can point me in the right direction to get one for the 126610LN?

 

[Yogibear]

Any achnace you can point me in the right direction to get one for the 126610LN?

Sub007 he always has gen Crystals for sale. And he's very trusted seller here.

 

[CsViking]

It had the best dial now is way behind