**[[ EVALUATION Thread ]]** PAM 411-420-Boutiques Edition -***[[[ Poll CLOSED ]]]****

[chromed.]

mysterio: thats just a prototype, the engraving mistake has been rectified, just received the updated pics but am not near a computer as i'm currently having my reservist.. will post them up once i can! but the new pics are great&will be ready soon..

but still, i maintain my comments regarding the H factory's promotion&keeping DSN's position..

cheers!

 

[ALE7575]

mysterio: thats just a prototype, the engraving mistake has been rectified, just received the updated pics but am not near a computer as i'm currently having my reservist.. will post them up once i can! but the new pics are great&will be ready soon..

but still, i maintain my comments regarding the H factory's promotion&keeping DSN's position..

cheers!

Thanks chromed
But it is clear that we are talking about H maker replicas in the evaluation.
Threfore, now it is clear that your vote "OTHERS" is really a vote for promotion to Super rep for the H maker watch.

WE NEED TI KNOW WHAT IS THE POSITION OF "SENATOR" who has also voted "OTHERS" but he has not done any explain about.

Thanks
ALE

 

[Sora]

this is a very nice rep, especially with the sausage lume application, just like gen(from what i see on pics) just small minor issues, the caseback engraving for ginza looks abit different from the gen, the rep is much straighter in "lines", also the 417 newyork edition, the head crown engraving is a tad different.. and the L swiss made L on the dial for the 41x series , seems abit tilted to one side, the left is abit lower than the right.. issue being the spacing between this words seems abit off..
the h fac seems to try to square the cg in these versions, but most cg's are not very up to standard..if the cg would be made better, this would be a killer!

 

[mysterio]

mysterio: thats just a prototype, the engraving mistake has been rectified, just received the updated pics but am not near a computer as i'm currently having my reservist.. will post them up once i can! but the new pics are great&will be ready soon..

but still, i maintain my comments regarding the H factory's promotion&keeping DSN's position..

cheers!

Good to hear!

 

[Duc]

Toro just shipped my 416. What pictures/angles would you like to see? I will take whatever macro pictures it takes to get an accurate judgment of the rep.

 

[the_don_robinson]

Hi all....

is there a 428 in this line up? I think its the Milan boutique...

cheers

 

[ALE7575]

Many thanks Duc for your offer
Really we all know this rep very well because the case and CG is the same of 390 or other good replicas from H maker.
Interesting caseback, PIG logo, engravings, strap... because they are the differences.
Other pics and angles would be well received to assure the quality.
If you are willing to make a pictorial review and some interesting comments, you could start a new thread and if its quality and info are interesting I would consider including the link in the PAM GUIDE. Up to you
Don't forget putting your vote when you get the watch !!
Thanks again
ALE

Toro just shipped my 416. What pictures/angles would you like to see? I will take whatever macro pictures it takes to get an accurate judgment of the rep.

Hi TDR
Yes there is a gen PAM 428 Milan Boutique, but like the Munich and Singapore it is N-series year 2011 instead of M-series year 2010 like the replicas we are now talking about.
Since there are not yet replicas of Boutiuqes N-series I cannot include tem in the PAM GUIDE.
Of course, I think that maker will start introducing them soon and the quality will be the same becausse seemingly it will change just the caseback engravings. We will see.
ALE

Hi all....

is there a 428 in this line up? I think its the Milan boutique...

cheers

 

[kaniel]

I'd say those are superreps...

Engravings could be better but they are good enogh, Pre-V hands are correct, correct lume patina, ... And the pig looks good from the photos.

If the 318L is a super-rep, those ones deserve to be super-reps aswell IMHO.

Anyway is a little bit of speculation as I haven't have one of these on my hands.

 

[Klockis]

I have the H-fac 418 (Madrid) and I vote for a super-rep status.

H-factory have always made the best sausage dials (000/005/360/366/367) and have got the patina lume and dial text colour very close to gen and so are the vintage hands.

The caseback engraving is very nice and crisp but not as nice as the gen.

A sausage dial H-factory 44mm Pam with a close caseback can not be other then a super-rep in my book.

But these boutique editions have the same flaws as all the 44mm from H-factory:
-Not square inner radius of the crown guard cut-outs that a M-series CG with rollerball should have.
-Too wide CG lever where it meet the crown.
-CG lever tip can be a little pointy.
-Secondary reflection of the AR in the crystal are a bit blue.
-The base of the bezel are a bit to tall and not as rounded as gen.
-Not engraved OP on the movement (closed CB so no worries..)

(All this IMHO of course)

Here is mine on a Ted Su Swiss ammo.
As with all my 44mm Pams its in a Noob 111N case-set (to eliminate most of the H-fac case flaws).

 

[the_don_robinson]

Hi Klockis.... how does she look on a black strap?

any suggestions for me? Im looking for a good one to go with a 428. Cheers

 

[Klockis]

Hi Klockis.... how does she look on a black strap?

any suggestions for me? Im looking for a good one to go with a 428. Cheers

Not a fan of black straps at all.. So I dont have any to try for you, sorry.
Different shades of brown does it for me, the darker the better.
With a ecru stitch to match the patina lume of course

 

[ALE7575]

Mnay thanks Sora, kaniel and Klockis what a useful evaluation posts !!
People will be grateful for this info
thanks Specially Kloclis for the good pics

ALE.

 

[puretime]

The H maker version is very nice indeed but it has the same case as the PAM111N which does not have the gen construction. I would say it is almost a super rep Cant wait to see the noob version.

 

[justlounging]

I believe leaving it as it is is good enough..there's always room for improvement..and with this release, it seems that the price has gone up slightly..

I have personally yet to get one but i will..once i decide which model to go for..

 

[gianton]

I never liked the Boutique edition of any model so I voted to be kept as First Class rep.

I hope to see some exciting Pre-A or even Pre-V models or a nice 232 from the Noob-maker and not only the modern models. I know that's a dream that maybe never come true but who knows.

 

[Inushuk]

Super Rep .... All the way ....

 

[AHX]

I'm gonna have to go against the grain here (Just to throw a spanner in your works ALE ) and say first class.

My reasoning is that for me for a rep to be a super rep it needs to be virtually spot on to the gen. They're never 100% but we're talking indistinguishable to the naked eye or very near that. These don't have as per genuine construction, but I could live with that on a super rep - the problem is they have the caseback engravings which are clearly fantastic but not the same as gen, and the PIG dial which again is clearly quite good, but is visibly different to the naked eye. Their downfall is two features which are not properly replicated.

Would I buy one? Yeah, absolutely. Are they first class reps? Most definitely, and very good ones. But are they super reps? No, I think they fall just a little short. This is a tough one though, most people have said they should get the upgrade and it certainly wouldn't outrage me if that happens, but I just think we're getting watches which are extremely accurate and almost entirely impossible to differentiate from genuine articles - those are super reps. These are excellent but they shouldn't be in the same class as the true super reps.

 

[ALE7575]

I'm gonna have to go against the grain here (Just to throw a spanner in your works ALE ) and say first class.

My reasoning is that for me for a rep to be a super rep it needs to be virtually spot on to the gen. They're never 100% but we're talking indistinguishable to the naked eye or very near that. These don't have as per genuine construction, but I could live with that on a super rep - the problem is they have the caseback engravings which are clearly fantastic but not the same as gen, and the PIG dial which again is clearly quite good, but is visibly different to the naked eye. Their downfall is two features which are not properly replicated.

Would I buy one? Yeah, absolutely. Are they first class reps? Most definitely, and very good ones. But are they super reps? No, I think they fall just a little short. This is a tough one though, most people have said they should get the upgrade and it certainly wouldn't outrage me if that happens, but I just think we're getting watches which are extremely accurate and almost entirely impossible to differentiate from genuine articles - those are super reps. These are excellent but they shouldn't be in the same class as the true super reps.

Thanks AHX.
No worries my friend
This is just the kind of reply I like and I'm looking for
In fact I agree completely with your definition of Super rep.

The difference in your evaluation and mine is that I don't consider important the caseback and PIG and you are considering them
as essential. It is just your opinion and your right !! And perhaps the opinion of a lot of people, who will have in your post a valuable opinion.

It is the good thing of this useful thread thanks to posts like yours

Many thanks
ALE

 

[AHX]

Thanks AHX.
The difference in your evaluation and mine is that I don't consider important the caseback and PIG and you are considering them
as essential. It is just your opinion and your right !! And perhaps the opinion of a lot of people, who will have in your post a valuable opinion.

I wouldn't say that I find them essential, just that for me a super rep really needs to be near indistinguishable from gen. Any reasonable factor, in this case two factors, that jeopardises that to the naked eye excludes it from super rep class, I think. Otherwise the definition of "super rep" gets watered down a bit.

Don't get me wrong though, I love these watches. They're very good, definitely more than deserving of their first class status. I'm considering adding one to my list of wanted PAM reps actually.

 

[ALE7575]

Any reasonable factor, in this case two factors, that jeopardises that to the naked eye excludes it from super rep class, I think. Otherwise the definition of "super rep" gets watered down a bit.

Very reasonable statment. Yes, we should be more hard evluating as Super reps. You are right !!

Don't get me wrong though, I love these watches. They're very good, definitely more than deserving of their first class status. I'm considering adding one to my list of wanted PAM reps actually.

Very clever decision !!
I think good to know it for many people.
Tanks again
ALE

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