I encourage posting of opinions that do not agree with my personal opinion. I just don't appreciate someone that does not see fit to participate here, running here to post something that they know will be inflammatory just for the sake of doing it. Especially after having waded through the RWI bashing on RWG. I read the thread but chose not to comment for two reasons. One, I do not participate there so I felt it is not my place to tell you how you should or should not feel about something we do here. Second, I did not comment because I do not participate on your forum, I do not give two good shits what you think, say, or do over there. Now you, as a non participant on this forum, felt compelled to come over here and tell us what our opinion of your favorite dealer should be. To some of our members that do not peruse RWG, your comments may be understood differently, I however, know exactly the spirit in which they were posted.
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DEALERS RATINGS - The results are in
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I thought UK to USA and vise versa was a doddle in terms of customs? Has never been a problem for me at least, thankfully 
I would imagine Asia to USA would be much more risky, no?
Anyway at least the dealers on that list will send you a watch, and a decent one too, if you know what you like and what to buy. If our members were not on this board, or any of our rep boards for that matter, no doubt they would be getting scammed over on bluefakes or whatever those dodgy sites are called now days :lol:
Cheers! 8)
I would imagine Asia to USA would be much more risky, no? Anyway at least the dealers on that list will send you a watch, and a decent one too, if you know what you like and what to buy. If our members were not on this board, or any of our rep boards for that matter, no doubt they would be getting scammed over on bluefakes or whatever those dodgy sites are called now days :lol:
Cheers! 8)
@mickey... I think I found the reason..... PT has gotten some bad press lately....
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=47344&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=49268&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
These are from the past few months and both went 2+ pages.... that's probably where the 8 came from.... i would say you should do a write-up of your experiences and help educate others...
It's not so much UK to US as it is NY doing their job too well.... LA and SF are pretty lax comparatively...
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=47344&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=49268&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
These are from the past few months and both went 2+ pages.... that's probably where the 8 came from.... i would say you should do a write-up of your experiences and help educate others...
It's not so much UK to US as it is NY doing their job too well.... LA and SF are pretty lax comparatively...
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I don't think my post was inflammatory at all brtelec, you are the one who replied in such a way if anything, and then you follow it up again with more of the same, from a moderator I expect more. A good moderator does not let his emotions get in the way, in that respect it is clear you have failed.....
Maybe I should copy more of my PT reviews over here? It is hard to try and fill three boards with your time, a few late emails is hardly as bad as some of the things I read about on the boards!
Maybe I should copy more of my PT reviews over here? It is hard to try and fill three boards with your time, a few late emails is hardly as bad as some of the things I read about on the boards!
Everyone's threshold on response time is different.... but I would point to those 2 threads as reasons why there were 8 people.... makes sense to me at least....
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I disagree. As a moderator, I put my time and effort into this forum for the sheer love of it. To some of us it is all about emotion. If I did not love this hobby and care about this forum, I would not do this. That is why I take comments from nonparticipants that have been less than charitable to this forum on their own forums, personally. I have yet to see a thread on this forum that has been as much as an affront to your forum as the one I have read about RWI over there. I do take it personally and I do get emotional about it. I have yet to figure out why there is so much animosity between the forums. I attend a Houston GTG on a regular basis and we have participation from all three forums. There is never any kind of tension or bitterness between the fellows that attend regularly. The reason is there are just a handful of people that create this tension. Coming here to stir the pot is just another example of this behavior. My point was, you live there by choice, if you just want to stir things up, do us a favor and just continue to deride us over there.
Great effort with the poll, thanks.
Thank God you don't practice medicine as the methodology was flawed and unscientific.
Great fun though especially as it sparked off a lovely flame war over at the other forum........the whole Dealer/Admin/Owner issue was a real hoot!
Thank God you don't practice medicine as the methodology was flawed and unscientific.
Great fun though especially as it sparked off a lovely flame war over at the other forum........the whole Dealer/Admin/Owner issue was a real hoot!
@T4D: Fair question. Here's the problem: you're looking at your own votes as percentage of all the total votes cast. Instead, you should look at them as a proportion of all votes cast for you. If you sum your votes it's 10+3=13 (this is 100% of your votes), which means you have about 77% promoters and 23% detractors among those who cared to vote for you, giving you a final score of 77%-23%=54% approximately. Narikaa has 80%-20%=60%, which is marginally higher than yours. Of course, these results don't take into consideration "neutrals", i.e. those who are neither promoters nor detractors, and that's why P+D always equals 100. A future poll should probably use a scale from 0-10, with the norm being 0-6=D, 7-8=N and 9-10=P. This was obviously a simplified version that took advantage of the poll feature in the forum. You should be happy with your score, of course. It's hard to compare scores, given the modified version of the metric, but the average NPS score of American companies is only around the 10% mark! Pretty scary uh?
@Mickey: Give it a rest already mate. You asked your question. I gave you my answer. How long do we have to go back and forth like that for? We have debated this enough; now feel free to disagree with my answer and leave it at that, like grown ups do. I can think of a million reasons why people would discourage using PT. LOS even found you some, which you could have done yourself if you had bothered to look. For the rest, use your imagination. Please do us a favour and stop wasting everyone's time.
@Mickey: Give it a rest already mate. You asked your question. I gave you my answer. How long do we have to go back and forth like that for? We have debated this enough; now feel free to disagree with my answer and leave it at that, like grown ups do. I can think of a million reasons why people would discourage using PT. LOS even found you some, which you could have done yourself if you had bothered to look. For the rest, use your imagination. Please do us a favour and stop wasting everyone's time.
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Mickey Padge said:I don't think my post was inflammatory at all brtelec, you are the one who replied in such a way if anything, and then you follow it up again with more of the same, from a moderator I expect more. A good moderator does not let his emotions get in the way, in that respect it is clear you have failed.....
Maybe I should copy more of my PT reviews over here? It is hard to try and fill three boards with your time, a few late emails is hardly as bad as some of the things I read about on the boards!
This is one hell of a good idea.. I think PT is tops.. it would help him and help others to believe he is a good guy if more people took the time to do reviews.. or in your case.. go ahead and post them here... why not?
Also... MP,, see this thread.. PT is missing out by not being around much.. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=49250
I'm not saying he is absent... just wish we saw him more often.. It is a proven fact,, if you are around and post.. update,, etc.. you attract more business.
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Look, I don't know why you have a problem with me brtelec, but the misunderstanding regarding D4M post has been cleared up via PM on RWG, and I can't post in the thread as it is now closed. Simply put, I thought D4M's comment was a dig at the RWG forum, but as it turns it was not, it was aimed at a particular member, but just not quoted or aimed via an "@".....
So I have no issues with him, or this forum, far from it. So that only leaves my opinion regarding the polls and chart. An opinion shared by lots of other peeps on this very forum, that of them not being the best in terms of a dealer guide, to say the least.....
Whatever issues you have I suggest you deal with them and leave me out of it, you are the only one here exacerbating the situation, not me....
I am not wasting anyone's time, I am trying to discus this topic, but it seems that is not possible. What have I said in this thread that is so outrageous? Do you want this topic to die and be left bereft of any more posts?
Cheers! 8)
So I have no issues with him, or this forum, far from it. So that only leaves my opinion regarding the polls and chart. An opinion shared by lots of other peeps on this very forum, that of them not being the best in terms of a dealer guide, to say the least.....
Whatever issues you have I suggest you deal with them and leave me out of it, you are the only one here exacerbating the situation, not me....
I am not wasting anyone's time, I am trying to discus this topic, but it seems that is not possible. What have I said in this thread that is so outrageous? Do you want this topic to die and be left bereft of any more posts?
Cheers! 8)
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daytona4me said:Mickey Padge said:I don't think my post was inflammatory at all brtelec, you are the one who replied in such a way if anything, and then you follow it up again with more of the same, from a moderator I expect more. A good moderator does not let his emotions get in the way, in that respect it is clear you have failed.....
Maybe I should copy more of my PT reviews over here? It is hard to try and fill three boards with your time, a few late emails is hardly as bad as some of the things I read about on the boards!
This is one hell of a good idea.. I think PT is tops.. it would help him and help others to believe he is a good guy if more people took the time to do reviews.. or in your case.. go ahead and post them here... why not?
Also... MP,, see this thread.. PT is missing out by not being around much.. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=49250
I'm not saying he is absent... just wish we saw him more often.. It is a proven fact,, if you are around and post.. update,, etc.. you attract more business.
Will do D4M, maybe I should date the subject tittle and copy paste the few reviews I have done over to this forum?
I don't think PT is very active on any of the boards really, he seems to keep a much lower profile than other dealers 8)
Mickey Padge said:Will do D4M, maybe I should date the subject tittle and copy paste the few reviews I have done over to this forum?
I don't think PT is very active on any of the boards really, he seems to keep a much lower profile than other dealers 8)
Yep, I think that is pretty much what By-Tor and Andreww have done with their reviews (albeit, those are by and large about specific watches, not specific dealers, but the concept carries over, I think).
Maybe it's a good idea that PT is a quiet dealer, that keeps him "under the radar" of the competition.
Firstly, I'm a bit embarrassed by yours and Dave's behavior at RWG Mickey. It was obvious to me that D4 was not being disrespectful to RWG at all. That said, a survey is a survey. You take it with a grain of salt. But, you do not dismiss it as nonsense just because your team didn't fare that well. I will never see the logic in the way that some guys will latch on to a dealer and defend him till the end. And what's to defend? Its just a poll mate! Nobody called him a crook, they as a group indicated that they weren't enthused with the experience. So he can either ignore it or do something about it, simple as that. Knowledge is power my friend, and if you don't use it. you have none.
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Repeating the same question over and over, stating the obvious, reiterating what has already been aknowledged many times, failing to read closely previous posts that address your concerns, etc... This is time wasting in my book. And obviously I don't want to do the same, so I will refrain from debating this issue any further. If you have any new constructive comments, I'd be more than happy to hear them and have a conversation with you of course. In the meantime, rather than posting more stuff about PT, what about you just send him a link to this thread? That may be more useful.
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My reviews are a few wristshots with a comment or two, nowhere near the same level of quality that By-Tor and Andreww compose, their reviews are a must read for all members!
I don't see it as obvious andreww, but then everyone sees things differently
As for whatever Dave said in the RWG thread, I admit to not reading whatever else was posted, I went to bed and there seems little point.....
rooster133 , I fail to see where I have repeated myself over and over, questions or otherwise.....
I don't see it as obvious andreww, but then everyone sees things differently
As for whatever Dave said in the RWG thread, I admit to not reading whatever else was posted, I went to bed and there seems little point.....
rooster133 , I fail to see where I have repeated myself over and over, questions or otherwise.....
Those of us with experience should by now know a good dealer from a crook. My concern is that noobs seize on this poll and see it as a guide to buying. That would be unfair.
As I stated before thid poll is a bit of fun but wholly unscientific.
Noobs...............read up on a dealer here and at the other good places............then make a choice, do not use this poll as a yardstick!
As I stated before thid poll is a bit of fun but wholly unscientific.
Noobs...............read up on a dealer here and at the other good places............then make a choice, do not use this poll as a yardstick!
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I followed last night the postings on RWG and I do not understand MP here, we would call him a Scheiimer!
Anyhow, regarding PT:
I bought 35 watches from him and I still will buy from him! I do not care about the 15 USD more because of customs. I recommended PT to noobs and 3 out of 5 returned to me and told me that the quality they received was poor. One guy send me a picture of his SA and the hour hand had a hole in it! Since I told everybody that he is doing OC, I was questioned about that!
3 out of my last 5 buys had minor problems which my watchmaker was able to fix. Chrono resetting problem, missalignement of chrono second hand, etc. PT always helped me out in getting spare parts.
So all this said, I would buy from him again because I know him since over 2 years and I trust him but some people may have a QC problem with him!
Anyhow, regarding PT:
I bought 35 watches from him and I still will buy from him! I do not care about the 15 USD more because of customs. I recommended PT to noobs and 3 out of 5 returned to me and told me that the quality they received was poor. One guy send me a picture of his SA and the hour hand had a hole in it! Since I told everybody that he is doing OC, I was questioned about that!
3 out of my last 5 buys had minor problems which my watchmaker was able to fix. Chrono resetting problem, missalignement of chrono second hand, etc. PT always helped me out in getting spare parts.
So all this said, I would buy from him again because I know him since over 2 years and I trust him but some people may have a QC problem with him!
bme, I appreciate the concerns you have. However, as I said, anyone who reads these threads and doesn't pick up on the repeated, open discussion about the inherent issues with the polling system used, has much bigger life issues than what dealer to buy from. And, is likely the type of buyer that dealers would rather not have, regardless. :wink:
hooligan said:
Well put. Hooli. But you know as well as I that some things have to be spelled out loud and clear!