" Rolex 114300, 39mm, Grape and Grey dial JF (now ARF, service is recommended)" Apologizes if this has been discussed to death, I looked back many pages and didn't see recent discussion on this. The "now ARF" part should be removed in my opinion. The ARF version is quite inferior to the JF version and the two are not comparable. The ARF is very clearly a replica at a glance if you knew what to look for, even when worn on the wrist and not in macro photos. The crown shape on the dial is a dead give away and not what I'd called a super rep.
Unless they have recently changed the dial ! Then the JF and Arf are the same watch just in different steel . As Arf and JF are the same factory . When JF switched their Rolex watches over to 904 L they marketed them as AR factory . They still currently sell their non 904L , non Rolex watches as JF .
DEFINITELY THE FIRST BATCHES WERE THE SAME WATCH , same SH3132, Same crystal , same dial , same hands ! The only thing that changed was the case and bracelet were now machined in 904L on the Arf instead of 316 on the JF .
They have a production line , why would they completely change the whole watch ? Get theIr suppliers of dials , hands , movements to change them ? Or change the supply chain altogether ? Arf is a production line they are not Rolex they don't make everything in house. They collect the constituent parts for the watch from various suppliers and then assembly the watches .
There is nothing wrong with the crown on the ARF IMO .If you mean by the shape , the circle at the bottom of the crown is wrong being slightly fatter and rounder , compared to a flatter more oval shape of the gen ? Then this is also a flaw on the JF ! However you really have to look , and unless you know to look then you definitely won't see it on the wrist .
I don't know if own the gen , have seen the gen on the wrist or are just looking at pictures . My wife has a gen , and I have both a JF grape and an Arf grey . ( I don't see any difference in the quality of the reps ) For me the JF/ARF 114300 is the best OOTB Rolex rep you can buy . It just isn't discussed much because everybody wants to buy a Submariner or a DJ and then spend a fortune changing bits on it . I don't agree with your assessment that you can tell the ARF is a rep at a glance . In fact I suggest if you want to buy a Rolex rep and fool everyone it is real ( as most do on here ) then I would get one .Some say the SH3132 needs servicing straight away , mine wind lovely and run great with no service, the JF being over 2 years old . The crown flaw I point out you wouldn't notice with the gen / rep . Unless you already knew of it chap forewarned forearmed so to speak .
Obviously I accept you maybe right about the dial NOW as dials , bezels etc change on watches . Suppliers get changed things get updated etc .However I have looked at TD pics , Gen Pics , my own watches and I see nothing wrong with the crown except the flaw I pointed out . Which has always been there .
Finally there isn' t a watch on this Super Rep/ NWBIG that hasn't got noticable flaws if you know what you are looking for as you put it . Most with a very quick examination, some on the wrist . However most gen owners don't know their watch from a bar of soap . It is more likely that people in the rep community ( for want of a better term ) will see them because they know the reps and what to look for . They also spend hours examining pictures of the watches both gen and rep .
I will give you an example the ZF BB red V4 on the Super rep list , is a great replica . As long as you carefully QC the watch, it looks gen on the wrist . However I can tell if it's a ZF in a couple of seconds if my eyes are working properly that day , by just looking at the pinion on the centre of the hands .
I suggest you reread the definitions at the top of the list on what constitutes a Super rep / nwbig chap.. This is also a consensual list it's conclusions reached by consensus. Just because one member who seems to have bionic eyes and a severe case of OCD picks out a flaw , doesn't mean it will removed from list . You describe the ARF as totally inferior to the JF . To ascertain this you would have to own , have both in hand to compare . If you did you wouldn't come to this conclusion . My guess is your appraisal has been done by looking at pictures , especially being as the JF hasn't been available for nigh on two years . However I accept I could be wrong .
I can't be arsed looking back at this thread , but aren't you the guy who has argued this a couple of times before ? As if he has a bee in his bonnet. No rep is perfect chap they are cheap fake watches copies of usually Swiss genuine watches costing $1000's if not $10's of 1000's . You get what $,< 500 gets you .
Finally you say you own one rep a 116610 and hold all watches by that standard ! You don't state which factory but I assume you have an ARF/ Noob v10 . Well it isn't as gen like as the ARF/JF 114300 despite your assessment that everything is near perfect . Your subby is an excellent replica but has far more noticable flaws ' if you know what you are looking for ' . That is why it is only classed as first class on this list , while OP is at the top in the 'super rep' category .
