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Clean Factory vs BT Factory - 116500 Panda Daytona - Updated

daytonadude

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EDIT: See page 5/6 for a comparison to the new ZF!

Before I start, I’m aware that there have been posts like this in the past, but I can’t find any that are recent or that include a Clean with Deep Crystal, which is a mod recommended by just about anyone with a Panda dial from Clean.

With that said, I’d like to share a few photos I’ve taken of a BTF purchased last month (left) and a CF (right) purchased in May (you’ll notice the coronet has the ozone hole in it). I recently installed a deep crystal on the CF and was waiting for this to decide which of the two I’d keep. You’ll also see a modded noob case with a loose bezel in a few photos for comparison’s sake.

I can’t compare the bezels as they are both BTF, but I’m pretty sure clean and BT use the same bezels now? Same with the bracelets, both are BTF. However, that’s not the topic of this post. I’m firmly focused on case and dial, which contribute significantly to how the watch looks and feels.

Key takeaways:

Case:
- Case appears thinner and is slightly more curved near the lugs on the BTF. Lugs are thinner than gen, but not by much.
- Case is thicker on the CF but better for modding since you can remove but not add metal. That being said, it’s my understanding that case modding is hard to get right. Please let me know if anyone does it well. I’ve been told that the CF case doesn’t accept gen spec pushers, by the way.

Dial:
- Despite the deep crystal, the Clean dial is still grey, and a bit cold. thing is, it doesn’t look that way unless you put it next to another white dial watch, then it’s immediately apparent. The lume markers are a bit too full, but the Daytona writing is great. Subdial rings are too shiny. For me, the biggest issue is the color, which I wish clean would fix.
- the BTF dial looks great, thought it also suffers from feeling cold, but in a very different way. It’s more that it seems to be more pale than the CF, which is why I was wondering if adding a gen, noob or even CF crystal might help rebalance the dial color. I’m a fan of the subdials, coronet, lume markers, but just wish the DAYTONA writing was a bit more red.

I’ve decided to sell the CF and am glad with my decision. Even though the BTF lugs can appear a bit too thin and pointy, I’m hoping that the new ZF release has a dial and that can challenge BTF. If initial QC pics look promising I’ll order it, add to this review, and maybe make a modded watch.

Photos below. CF is always on the right, BTF on the left. Pics taken with an IPhone 13 mini, which I have to say is starting to feel like it has an archaic camera…

Daylight, indoors, next to window



Indoors, mixture of lamps and daylight



Bright lamp, directly above

 
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BTF is great overall but they have to mutch curvature on the upper right lugg.
 
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Great write up!

As I have said many times before.

BTF 500s have way better builds and dial on the panda.
Only good thing on 500s in clean: black v3 dial.

Gold models is a different story, the clean case shape on gold is also different from the steel models. Don't know why. Different manufacturer?

But yes, BTF panda is superior to clean in all ways.
I have a BTF V2 dial in my panda and it is by far the best dial since ARF V2 with correct sized subdials. The print on btf subdials is vastly superior to arf though.
 

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@daytonadude - Great writeup and analysis. As we discussed, the white color on the CF dial is off. BTF dial overall is a better option. I'm no expert on the cases, but it appears out of the box BTF is the way to go.

@Storm. - 100% spot on regarding BTF black dial V3. The best 116500 rep dial.
 
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@daytonadude - Great writeup and analysis. As we discussed, the white color on the CF dial is off. BTF dial overall is a better option. I'm no expert on the cases, but it appears out of the box BTF is the way to go.

@Storm. - 100% spot on regarding BTF black dial V3. The best 116500 rep dial.
Cf black dial my brother! Freundian mistake!
 
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Thx for your time with this cool review.

BTF overall is better imo for donor purposes and beyond: multiple vs. experience here.
Case is superior, dial (here) also, xtal also (even older deep batched equipped mean a world of diff than any cf (CF ootb is sh#t)
bracelet depends from the batch, but ARF-CF feels better in most of cases.
 

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Thx for your time with this cool review.

BTF overall is better imo for donor purposes and beyond: multiple vs. experience here.
Case is superior, dial (here) also, xtal also (even older deep batched equipped mean a world of diff than any cf (CF ootb is sh#t)
bracelet depends from the batch, but ARF-CF feels better in most of cases.
Yup cf clasps are way better. Forgot to mention.
 

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Thanks for the comments lads! Happy to share whatever info I gather. If anyone knows who can reshape an extra CF case I have to see how it stands to a BTF, that would be much appreciated.

I have to decide soon on whether to take the leap on a good looking CF/ARF/Noob hybrid with some Gen parts and a reshaped case but also want to give the ZF a shot…
 

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Thank you very much for this comparison !

I have to buy a 116506, Clean or BTF and I won't mod it in the future... What would you do ? Is it he same reliability concerning the movement ? Many thanks for advices...
 

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Still waiting, but Trusty said it’s the same dial as Clean, so not sure it’s gonna be any different…

Really don’t think this mate. CG’s, pushers, reahut height, and black dial seems different between ZF and Clean.

In any case i rally don’t think that clean accept that ZF sell a watch with 90% of their components at lower price.. That’s crazy imho :)

EDIT: about your topic thanks for sharing!
Personally i really don’t like CG’s and pushers buttons of Clean case. You can spot them easily. BTF have also a better case profile, curved, like gen without mods. It’s the only factory that make this thing right.
 
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Do anyone do have newest BT Daytona black dial pictures? The CT show me the resent QC, but the chrono sub dial ring kinda too shining compared to CF one ? Which one is more closed to gen? Thanks
 

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Do anyone do have newest BT Daytona black dial pictures? The CT show me the resent QC, but the chrono sub dial ring kinda too shining compared to CF one ? Which one is more closed to gen? Thanks
Clean v3 is the best one
 
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