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Clean Factory New Submariner Series Review (Incl. Comparison Pics vs Gen)

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To be blunt, people talk absolute nonsense and obsess over nothing. Rep forum paranoia is at all time high, boredom I think is the biggest factor. As mech500 &timmywatch state... it's just not what you focus on. Crown-guards in isolation fine... but it just ain't real life. You can't focus on them for that long.

Heck, if someone was staring intently at my crown-guards I'd be more worried about getting mugged than called out. End of day, the biggest tell on these watches are you. The naysayers are just over paranoid, over caffeine'd worriers...
 

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I agree with what you and Streetfighter etc are saying.

And to be fair I actually am quite frustrated with and tired of this 2 steps from one right back thing.

But let’s be real here, every rep has it’s weakspots.
The Last VSF I handled left me very underwhelmed. But hey - maybe I got a bad one.

Not to say, cf is benchmark nor should they be considered how much money these factories make and their access to new technology that they’re not really willing to use.

In General and looking at the market offering we have right now, this is a solid watch. Or at least good enough the buy and wear until another update or better model comes out.

Last ZZF ( not even CF) vs gen:

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Are these cgs different?? I'm pretty picky,, but what am I missing?
 

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Are these cgs different?? I'm pretty picky,, but what am I missing?

Yes, a bit. Not that big of a deal. Just a little annoying, at best.

Here your can see what they are talking about :

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Here you can see the cause (marked red) in a comparison to gen:

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They just didn’t shave material of the case at the right angle by like 5 degrees.


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Ok...I saw the previous side view with the angle. That is pretty obvious, but the view looking straight at the dial is really hard to notice.
 

Mille M

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Puretime says 2-3 weeks for QC pics!

Last time I've ordered (this summer) it was 2-5 business days.
I hope it's a typing error.

How long are you guys waiting for QC pics?

Cheers
 
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Ok...I saw the previous side view with the angle. That is pretty obvious, but the view looking straight at the dial is really hard to notice.

It's not just that and it has been covered a many times earlier in thread ad nauseam.

I can't be bothered hunting down pics to show you but it goes like this: Submariner CG's are angular with almost a little ski jump like flick at the ends. Clean does not. Clean has GMT style cg's that do not have the same end tips, clean is rounded and sort of droops off at the ends.

That and the fact clean case sides are flat and not tapered as shown above. Just too many flaws in the case which is a shame as the dials, hands, bracelets and inserts are of the highest standard.

To be fair, I get the cg thing is barely noticeable on this Clean V4. The earlier ones were not as good. I feel silly going on about it with these current ones.
 
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I didn't take a pic but I was in a shopping arcade at the weekend they had a few pre owned Rolex in the window, amongst them a 116610LN with the worst butchered polished and rounded off cg's you have ever seen. Worse looking than any rep... and someone will pay the grey premium for that. So I guess it doesn't matter does it.
 

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I didn't take a pic but I was in a shopping arcade at the weekend they had a few pre owned Rolex in the window, amongst them a 116610LN with the worst butchered polished and rounded off cg's you have ever seen. Worse looking than any rep... and someone will pay the grey premium for that. So I guess it doesn't matter does it.

Good point actually.

Still they should start working on the flaws.


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Puretime says 2-3 weeks for QC pics!

Last time I've ordered (this summer) it was 2-5 business days.
I hope it's a typing error.

How long are you guys waiting for QC pics?

Cheers

Same thing here. I purchased from JTime.
I guess we just have to be patient.


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Same thing here. I purchased from JTime.
I guess we just have to be patient.


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I ordered a couple of weeks ago from JTime. Received QC the next day.

JTime should be much faster than Puretime with CFs.

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I think Jtime is the way forwards, Puretime have really degraded. They even tried to pass off other factories watches to me, on more than one occasion. They've grown a bit big for their boots and I'm done using them.
 
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Mille M

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I ordered a couple of weeks ago from JTime. Received QC the next day.

JTime should be much faster than Puretime with CFs.

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I've received the QC pics today (2 days after payment)...
Already GL. The watch looks amazing, but it has the V1 case, with the wrong CGs.

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Overall, I'm extremely happy with the look of this watch.

Everything, except for the crown guards, seems perfect.
Dial and hands are super clean, bezel is known to be good.

Let's hope this bracelet feels good (red somewhere it is an ARF bracelet)....
 

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Been waiting 4 weeks for my QC pics (Clean 114060LN) TD was in touch yesterday saying that Clean is no longer available due to no movements being available at factory.
I’m being offered a BPF or GMF as an alternative. I’ve found very little information about either on line. I did read the BPF have updated their subs but the TD couldn’t confirm that this included the 114060LN. The only hands on review had some lume issues and the bezels from what I could see didn’t have as good inserts as the Clean.
I spent many hours researching the Clean so was confident that would satisfy my requirements.
I’m at bit of a crossroads with the whole thing (disappointed to as I’ve been really excited about receiving this watch)
I’d be happy to wait for the Clean but this is not an option I am being offered.
I’d appreciate any thoughts or advice here.
 

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Been waiting 4 weeks for my QC pics (Clean 114060LN) TD was in touch yesterday saying that Clean is no longer available due to no movements being available at factory.
I’m being offered a BPF or GMF as an alternative. I’ve found very little information about either on line. I did read the BPF have updated their subs but the TD couldn’t confirm that this included the 114060LN. The only hands on review had some lume issues and the bezels from what I could see didn’t have as good inserts as the Clean.
I spent many hours researching the Clean so was confident that would satisfy my requirements.
I’m at bit of a crossroads with the whole thing (disappointed to as I’ve been really excited about receiving this watch)
I’d be happy to wait for the Clean but this is not an option I am being offered.
I’d appreciate any thoughts or advice here.

I would check with other TDs whether they have some stock and if so ask to get your money back and buy from another one
 

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Ok...I saw the previous side view with the angle. That is pretty obvious, but the view looking straight at the dial is really hard to notice.

Here you go.. perfect example just arrived..

This is the top view of the cg issue thing...

this is more like GMT Master..

..compared to the angular tips on the gen/vsf Submariner..



It's very minor.. but the devil is in the detail..
 

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Here you go.. perfect example just arrived..

This is the top view of the cg issue thing...

this is more like GMT Master..

Today I looked to my VSF submariner from a top point of view, with the watch on the wrist.
The truth is that, with the skin reflecting on the sides, you can't even tell where that angle stops...

I will see better when this clean arrive, but on the wrist I think it would be very hard to detect that small defect.
Not defending clean factory, of course. They should correct that minor thing, instead of being lazy.

I've accepted the watch because everything else looks spot on and, since VSF is out of the game, this is the best sub no date I can get...
 
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