chrono24 Taxation (Japan -> EU)

[Deviator]

Hi,

are there any services which can help with tax evasion declare lower price on a watch bought on chrono24? Same way as all TD are doing, when the are sending 500-700 Eur worth Rulex watchs.
Say, Buyee.jp or similar shopping services? I heard there are a lot of re-routing shopping services, but I guess no one will tell you they are doing price manipulation directly.

For instance info about the Buyee, I heard from a very famous Australian YouTube blogger (just one more watch) who bought Citizen Chronomaster, he said about taxation thing on camera, but of course not much details involved.

 

[eBoy]

I know it may sound hypocritical on a forum dedicated to illegal counterfeit products, but given that rep ownership is legal in many jurisdictions and often the import is legal for private persons as well, plus any of it is rarely a felony, but mostly a misdemeanor offense, I find it amazing that people feel absolutely comfortable asking about / or advising on definitely serious criminal behavior in ANY jurisdiction like tax evasion or forgery of documents.

Given that reps rarely cost $1000, more like $500 to $700, when you ask about evading taxes of gens though, you are theoretically asking about evading potentially tens of thousands of $$$.

For example, if I bought a Patek 5711 for $200,000 in Japan, where I live, I'd have to pay import taxes of $38,000. If I evaded such a sum, I would probably be unable to avoid prison for at least 12 months, regardless of not having a criminal record.

If I can afford 200 grand for a watch, I can pay the taxes.

But hey, whatever, you do you. You're an adult who can make his own decisions... Good luck!

 

[eBoy]

PS: Of course, if you are talking about gen watches in the rep price range or let's say just 1K or 2K max, then it's obviously less serious in terms of consequences when you get caught.

I noticed that Japanese sellers on Chrono24 in particular seem to often even mention in their listings that they do not undervalue customs declarations. Japanese secondary market sellers also seem have a bit of a reputation of being more honest than similar merchants in other countries, so I could imagine that those who even mention in their listings that they won't facilitate tax avoidance attempts may eventually refuse to send parcel to rerouting services. Then there's also the issue of Chrono24's Escrow service. I could imagine it's actually not possible to not send the parcel directly to the buyer if Escrow is used.

 

[MSC19]

Also, I may add, Japanese seller has no interest is declaring a lower value since he need to have an insured shipping, in case of damage or lost, so I beleive they will want to recoup the the whole amount in case of the above mentioned situations.
If the watch is expensive it worth a trip until there and buy it in person, plus you will have very nice memories which will last a lifetime...other wise just pay the tax or buy it locally.

 

[Deviator]

I like those "stealing" topics, and since you are so righteous in your cause let me make some quick calculations.

Considering how many comments you have, and the fact that you are a devoted moderator, I will assume that your
1930 messages against 42 mine are proof that you are more devoted and attracted towards luxury contrefeight products at least 45 times more than I'm.

This leads us to 45 times multiplied by my current historical amount of 3 fake watches I had a pleasure to have in my possession. And taking into account that EU taxation is around 20-22% (Google says USA has 0-37% customs tax rate which on average is 20%) therefore you have stolen from your beloved country 45*3*500*0.2 = 13500 Eur or 14500 Usd.

And that 14 grands felony, a state offense, is not even close to the damage you are causing by the counterfeit goods business affiliation itself by moderating this web resource alone.

Congratulations you are a criminal.

I know it may sound hypocritical on a forum dedicated to illegal counterfeit products

Yes Sir, it does, you are a hypocrite.

PS: Of course, if you are talking about gen watches in the rep price range or let's say just 1K or 2K max, then it's obviously less serious in terms of consequences when you get caught.

I noticed that Japanese sellers on Chrono24 in particular seem to often even mention in their listings that they do not undervalue customs declarations. Japanese secondary market sellers also seem have a bit of a reputation of being more honest than similar merchants in other countries, so I could imagine that those who even mention in their listings that they won't facilitate tax avoidance attempts may eventually refuse to send parcel to rerouting services. Then there's also the issue of Chrono24's Escrow service. I could imagine it's actually not possible to not send the parcel directly to the buyer if Escrow is used.

Nevertheless thank you for your notice, I did not know that people write those messages. Though I have seen the opposite messages, sellers offer a "taxation discount" if you're in/outside UK for some reason, but I haven't paid much attention to those nuances, maybe there's more to it.

 

[vonessen]

I have traveled from Europe to Japan to buy a watch and I highly recommend it to you !

 

[Deviator]

Also, I may add, Japanese seller has no interest is declaring a lower value since he need to have an insured shipping, in case of damage or lost, so I beleive they will want to recoup the the whole amount in case of the above mentioned situations.
If the watch is expensive it worth a trip until there and buy it in person, plus you will have very nice memories which will last a lifetime...other wise just pay the tax or buy it locally.

The thought of visiting Japan actually crossed my mind, never been there before
However, financially it is not viable due to the price of Citizen Chronomaster I was after and a price of a ticket to Japan.
Chronomaster is around 2000 eur, which is 400+ eur in taxation.

 

[vonessen]

I'd just pay for the tax in this case. Chronomaster is such a banger watch! The dial looks so deep I love it!

 

[Deviator]

I'd just pay for the tax in this case. Chronomaster is such a banger watch! The dial looks so deep I love it!

Totally agree for the banger, since I was considering Citizen against its direct counterpart Grand Seiko, which is 3x more in price.

 

[eBoy]

The idiots are out in full force on RWI this week.

 

[eBoy]

Fyi: I have bought 8 reps in total, 6 within EU from private parties. There's no tax in this case.

fake watches

By the way, you will make lots of friends on a rep forum by using the F word.

 

[eBoy]

@Deviator: Besides, since you seem to have missed my point completely: I am in no way pillorying your behavior regarding import taxes. Like I said, you're grown up: Do as you please.

I'm just telling you how incredibly naive it is to publicly ask for tax evasion tips or any other advice to commit felonies. No matter where. Yes, even on a replica forum. It's always hairbrained and makes you look like a total boob.

We had another goofy user yesterday suggesting to add forged certificates to rep parcels, in order to convince customs officials that the rep is actually a gen, so that they won't confiscate them.

He claims to have done so himself, but couldn't come up with a satisfactory answer when challenged how he solved the problem, that if his suggestion worked, what would he do about the now higher than the value of the rep import taxes he'd have to pay.

UK customs detained...any advice?

It happens all the time in Germany too, your first mistake was not printing a fake receipt and certificate from Rolex and put it in the box, if you do they open the package see this inside and send it on its way, your best option is going on eBay or Chrono24 and looking for certificate of...

forum.replica-watch.info

Once you have figured out the tax evasion issue, you two should form an import consultancy!

 

[big_polarbear]

Taxation is theft.

This being said…. The amount of this week… enough to start a circus

 

[nunada]

I still believe the dude with the fake certificate post was trolling. No one is that moronic

 

[eBoy]

Taxation is theft.

This being said…. The amount of this week… enough to start a circus

I bought a Grand Seiko last month. At full retail MSRP. Including 21% taxes.

F*cking outrageous. Of course it's state-sponsored robbery.

But then again, I shouldn't be complaining. Instead, I should be grateful that I'm apparently doing well enough so that I don't have to ask for tax evasion advice for a Citizen on a public forum to save a few bucks.

 

[vonessen]

Only things mandatory in life:

Taxes
Death (after which you still need to pay taxes)

 

[big_polarbear]

I bought a Grand Seiko last month. At full retail MSRP. Including 21% taxes.

F*cking outrageous. Of course it's state-sponsored robbery.

But then again, I shouldn't be complaining. Instead, I should be grateful that I'm apparently doing well enough so that I don't have to ask for tax evasion advice for a Citizen on a public forum to save a few bucks.

Heyyy man I am also a GS fan !! What did you buy ???

 

[Nickyan]

Even if you fly there and carry it back in person, it's tax evasion if you don't declare it to customs upon arrival if it exceeds a certain value (around 500€ for Germany afaik). You might not get caught, but if you do, and ideally you have the box and papers in your suitcase, you're screwed.

 

[eBoy]

I still believe the dude with the fake certificate post was trolling. No one is that moronic

I don't know man, he sure as heck sounded dead serious.

But then again, before that, he claimed he used his Patek rep to enter a Patek AD to impress the sales assistants enough with the rep that they put him on a wait list. He was dead serious about that too, but this totally supports the trolling theory, tbh.

 

[eBoy]

Heyyy man I am also a GS fan !! What did you buy ???

Went into the GS boutique in Paris to "just look around a bit", walked out with this.