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Can we meet the Trusted Dealers?

reeder139

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This may sound stupid or not, but I'm booking a trip to Guangzhou for next year and I think it would be awesome to meet the people that rule our world.

So I'm wondering if most of them are based there or which ones are and is it normal to go up to them and say hi, do they like this, do they have shop fronts (I have never been, obviously!) and will they do me an amazing deal if I say, hey I'm a member of RWI and I love the work you do..!

Has anyone else ever met these people? I'm sure you can see what I'm getting at here, i'm sure any comments on this will be interesting, Thanks.
 

vanatic99

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I would love to know what these watches can be purchased for over there? I'm curious what the markup on them actually is, 100%, 50% 10%??? It would be very cool if you could actually go to the factory and purchase directly from them? Keep us posted.
One more thing. If you are single and interested in getting married, I highly recommend finding an Asian wife!
 

jonnybabbel

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I cannot remember which member traveled there, but he was able to meet with some sellers and see tons of merchandise. Does anyone know of whom I speak?
 

pedecter

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I find in unconscionable that any dealer would go for that, unless you were someone like Fakey or D4M
 

hooligan

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I doubt it. This *is* an illegal business, afterall. I'm sure most, if not all, of the dealers would prefer to remain anonymous. I know for a fact that DSN will not meet with folks (but, he's in Hong Kong, not GZ).
 

reeder139

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I guessed that might be the case. But then, do they not openly sell the items there anyway or are the trusted dealers operations a bit to big have a little tourist shop?

I suppose if they stock every item some show on their websites then they would probably be using warehouses etc...!

Anyway, I really don't know, that's why I asked.
 

reeder139

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Having read that thread, there's no way I'm not going to try and meet Hont...!

In fact, I'm going to email him right now.

Does anyone know what the situation regarding bringing watches back to UK in luggage/on person etc from China because meet Hont or not, I'm going to be making several purchases, hopefully from Hont though, in person if he can fit me in.

I remember a few years ago on a holiday a Turkey, I didn't know much about replica watches but that started the bug, I bought about 10 watches, various quality and brought them all back no problem.

Is it likely to be the same from China?
 

pedecter

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I know a couple dealers that will hook up with you on Canal street. Just look for a Ford Van.
 

rooster133

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Yes you should be able to meet up with some of the dealers... for example Hont and Ruby have been quite forthcoming in the past... but usually you need to have done biz with them for a while, gotten to know them, etc... so that there's a feeling of mutual trust... Let us know how you go.
 

Chris95270

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I believe it could be possible. Chinese government do nothing to stop this business (couterfeit) and millions of people live thanks to this business. I think it's easy to go to factories, I ve seen it on a french documentary about counterfeit. There is a huge mall dedicated to fake, you should go there ^^.

Nevertheless, I think you will learn nothing is you have ever seen a documentary about chinese factories, except thay they are selling us a 30$ watch for 250$...:(.
 

KBH

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If I went to GZ, the only dealer like like to meet is Ruby.

A nice romantic dinner for 2 and drinks followed by.............(Dream on)
 

rooster133

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If I went to GZ, the only dealer like like to meet is Ruby.

A nice romantic dinner for 2 and drinks followed by.............(Dream on)

KBH, by the look of your avatar I'm sure it'll be a very romantic evening
:biglaugh:
 

ahw676

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KBH, by the look of your avatar I'm sure it'll be a very romantic evening
:biglaugh:

Gah! I never noticed that avatar before. It looks like Veggie Tales Gone Porn. :)

@Chris95270: I'm not sure where you got the idea that the Chinese government does nothing to stop counterfeiting, but I wouldn't rely on this if I were you. My parents had been pretty liberal about bringing pirated stuff to the States in the past, and have historically thought that they could talk their ways out of anything, but they don't dare try it anymore.
 

daytona4me

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that's just funny.

Our dealers have stuff seized in Guangzhou trying to get out to us. The government is active in the Anti-Piracy although there are still bribes that keep some at bay. There are tricks and back doors that allow for operations to continue however, not without delays.

Our dealers and suppliers go through more than people think when things get tight.

If you think it will be a cake walk to go there, load up a suit case and fly back with it, your kidding yourself. And if you think you'll load up a box, go to the local EMS location and just ship it back to yourself, you're mistaken as well.
 

acharria

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Sound like mission impossible. I have a trip to GZ (Canton Fair) but i have to pass...maybe some day.
 

terenceseeto

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sounds like a good idea. most asian countries do nothing about counterfieting. youll probably find them cheaper in china then over the internet.
 

offshore

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that's just funny.
If you think it will be a cake walk to go there, load up a suit case and fly back with it, your kidding yourself. And if you think you'll load up a box, go to the local EMS location and just ship it back to yourself, you're mistaken as well.

Couldn't agree with D4 more. It ain't that easy!

Some here would be aware that I have just recently returned from GZ.
I wasn't buying watches (tools in fact) but I did pick up a few watches to bring home.
However I had a developed strategy to do so, which I won't divulge here, except to say that it was a little like taking coal to Newcastle!
I did meet with some dealers, and spoke to others on the phone.
There are few to nil of the quality reps we expect here, available for general sale in the markets themselves, unless you are known to the vendor, and invited to one of the viewing rooms, or prepared to wait, sometimes overnight, whilst a "runner" collects some samples.
Any better reps will be at best concealed in the market, but more likely be elsewhere.
You would be far better off to negotiate a price with a dealer from here, and collect your watch in GZ,in your hotel, as I did, than try to buy one as a retail customer at a stall.
If however you can swing an invite to a viewing room, your price then will depend entirely on your negotiation skills, and whether your seller had a good night the night before!
(and a good number of these viewing rooms are not necessarily run by dealers listed here)
But the price may well be slightly lower than some watches offered here. After all, the seller there has little risk of seizure (only paying the "overheads"), or warranty replacements, once its paid for and in your hand, you're on your own.
We all need to realise that this is not a formalised business, it has just developed over time, and has many, many faces. It also evolves and changes. There are many different styles and types of dealers, there are various forms of "factory" from large factories making gen and rep watches side by side, to small one off vendors, commissioning one watch, in limited numbers, at one time. And a lot more between these two!
Some factories even have viewing rooms set up (not on site), as "retail" outlets, some other viewing rooms sell the wares of a number of factories. In fact some of the "factories" , especially the larger ones, aren't even based in GZ proper.
Anyone who read my trip report, will realise that I was fortunate enough to get close to the "industry" I had some contacts from industry people on my return, telling me that my report was as close to the mark as anything they had read. I also had some contacts from within the industry telling/asking me to shut my mouth!

Hence this comment, is just that...general comment, I won't be any more specific here!

I am returning next year to GZ to expand on my contacts, and view some more new product which is coming on line. I will also be travelling to some other areas, (one in the north) to meet and view.

Anyone who needs to know a specific, only has to ask, whether I can, or will, answer, is another point entirely.Whether my information is good or not is a matter of conjecture! :)

Offshore