Buying from dealers or factories

[Timswatches]

Can you buy from a factory salesperson vs an independent dealer? I feel I’m dealing with a rep from Clencand not an independent. I have a dealer in Pakistan we’ll call him “Mo” he’s higher priced, less warranty and prefers Zelle or Wiretransfers. My Chinese rep does pp and cc’s easy and safer. He’s $300 cheaper to. He says he works for CF not a dealer. Mo says he’s a liar. That CF doesn’t have salespeople. Yet my Chinese man knows way more than anyone I’ve ever known. He’s been extremely helpful and friendly. The question is does CF or others sell directly to the public

 

[Ghostrider757]

No such thing as a factory salesperson. Think about it for a second. Do you think an illegal manufacturer wants to advertise their location or have close ties to the general public? Only if they want to get shut down! If ANYONE claims to work for a factory in any capacity, it's a lie. Factories "selling to the public" and websites claiming to be factories are 1000% fake.

 

[eBoy]

Can you buy from a factory salesperson vs an independent dealer? I feel I’m dealing with a rep from Clencand not an independent. I have a dealer in Pakistan we’ll call him “Mo” he’s higher priced, less warranty and prefers Zelle or Wiretransfers. My Chinese rep does pp and cc’s easy and safer. He’s $300 cheaper to. He says he works for CF not a dealer. Mo says he’s a liar. That CF doesn’t have salespeople. Yet my Chinese man knows way more than anyone I’ve ever known. He’s been extremely helpful and friendly. The question is does CF or others sell directly to the public

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[eBoy]

Can you buy from a factory salesperson vs an independent dealer?

 

[Timswatches]

No such thing as a factory salesperson. Think about it for a second. Do you think an illegal manufacturer wants to advertise their location or have close ties to the general public? Only if they want to get shut down! If ANYONE claims to work for a factory in any capacity, it's a lie. Factories "selling to the public" and websites claiming to be factories are 1000% fake.

I can see the compromise in your opinion, but I also see that family members of factory founders could have direct access to the factory without compromising locations and inventory. I understand they get raided frequently and you cant only have one location. I think before I speak most of the time. Thank you for your feedback. My TD/FM turned me on too you guys actually.

 

[Ghostrider757]

but I also see that family members of factory founders could have direct access to the factory without compromising locations and inventory.

You really don't understand how it works, do you? Family members are more likely to get caught and shaken down by the police. No one from any rep factory is peddling watches in person or by a direct representative to randos that want to cut out the middle man. This is an Illegal business with stiff consequences. Do family members have access? Maybe, but are they selling them to you? Without a doubt, NO!

 

[shyreplover]

the "Mo" that I know is a bartender in Springfield. Anyway....
Clean is a real factory. They most likely produce more watches than Rolex. Big factories don't do direct retail, they deal with large volume buyers or distributors.

And another thing, unlike Pakistan, China has 1 child policy. People in China don't have that many relatives unless you are in the village where you are allowed to have more children.

 

[Reaps]

Another member found a legendary "connection" directly to a factory that noone else has ever found, sounds too good to be true!

 

[Timswatches]

the "Mo" that I know is a bartender in Springfield. Anyway....
Clean is a real factory. They most likely produce more watches than Rolex. Big factories don't do direct retail, they deal with large volume buyers or distributors.

And another thing, unlike Pakistan, China has 1 child policy. People in China don't have that many relatives unless you are in the village where you are allowed to have more children.

Seriously? China doesn’t have families! I’m not here to argue about China, but I know for a fact Chinese people have twins and break the law while having to pay a fine or forfeit the child’s rights for education and possibly losing their jobs. You do know that ended in 2016. They can have 3 now as of 2021. You do realize most illegal professions use family members for security purposes and control. With billions of people vs hundreds of millions of people, the Chinese can have more than one child in Rual areas and those giving birth while overseas working/studying in other countries. So yes having hundreds of cousins and uncles would be mathematically impossible but having cousins,uncles etc… is common in China. So it is very possible for a family member to work in or around a family factory or farm ie distributors. Blood is thicker than water in every nation. Thank you for your input. I don’t ever claim to know more than I do. I have zero first hand knowledge of Chinese factories, but I do have friends who have American factories there and other countries now that China is experiencing a problem with manufacturing and exporting other countries products. My friends own hat/shoe/garmet/printer businesses in China,Vietnam, and Honduras

the "Mo" that I know is a bartender in Springfield. Anyway....
Clean is a real factory. They most likely produce more watches than Rolex. Big factories don't do direct retail, they deal with large volume buyers or distributors.

And another thing, unlike Pakistan, China has 1 child policy. People in China don't have that many relatives unless you are in the village where you are allowed to have more children.

 

[Reaps]

Seriously? China doesn’t have families! I’m not here to argue about China, but I know for a fact Chinese people have twins and break the law while having to pay a fine or forfeit the child’s rights for education and possibly losing their jobs. You do know that ended in 2016. They can have 3 now as of 2021. You do realize most illegal professions use family members for security purposes and control. With billions of people vs hundreds of millions of people, the Chinese can have more than one child in Rual areas and those giving birth while overseas working/studying in other countries. So yes having hundreds of cousins and uncles would be mathematically impossible but having cousins,uncles etc… is common in China. So it is very possible for a family member to work in or around a family factory or farm ie distributors. Blood is thicker than water in every nation. Thank you for your input. I don’t ever claim to know more than I do. I have zero first hand knowledge of Chinese factories, but I do have friends who have American factories there and other countries now that China is experiencing a problem with manufacturing and exporting other countries products. My friends own hat/shoe/garmet/printer businesses in China,Vietnam, and Honduras

Look. It's up to you. Your money is yours not ours. You can spend it however you wish.

You asked for an opinion, the forum gave it to you. You can ignore it or convince yourself otherwise.

If you think you found such a connection then buy from the contact. But we are not responsible for anything. If you lose your money or get scammed, that is on you.

Sure, maybe there is 0.00001% chance you found a legendary rare unicorn connection with a family member of Clean that apparently has a direct connection with a factory. More likely he's full of shit.

Experience on the forum tells us otherwise, that this is most likely false and a scam. Most factories distribute through agents and dealers in volume, they don't bother peddling 1 watch wholesale to a random they've never met or done business with.

Also, all replicas are made in China. None are made in Pakistan.

You can take the advice or leave it.

 

[Timswatches]

Look. It's up to you. Your money is yours not ours. You can spend it however you wish.

You asked for an opinion, the forum gave it to you. You can ignore it or convince yourself otherwise.

If you think you found such a connection then buy from the contact. But we are not responsible for anything. If you lose your money or get scammed, that is on you.

Sure, maybe there is 0.00001% chance you found a legendary rare unicorn connection with a family member of Clean that apparently has a direct connection with a factory. More likely he's full of shit.

Experience on the forum tells us otherwise, that this is most likely false and a scam. Most factories distribute through agents and dealers in volume, they don't bother peddling 1 watch wholesale to a random they've never met or done business with.

Also, all replicas are made in China. None are made in Pakistan.

You can take the advice or leave it.

I understand they are made in China. I have a dealer from Pakistan I’ve bought from previously. Tell me this please, the Pakistani dealer says he has to pay to be sponsored by this forum is that true? So far I’ve bought 2 from him and 6 from my Chinese TD/fm or bullshit artist, so far so good. I will definitely own it if I get screwed. I do appreciate y’all’s efforts

 

[Reaps]

I understand they are made in China. I have a dealer from Pakistan I’ve bought from previously. Tell me this please, the Pakistani dealer says he has to pay to be sponsored by this forum is that true? So far I’ve bought 2 from him and 6 from my Chinese TD/fm or bullshit artist, so far so good. I will definitely own it if I get screwed. I do appreciate y’all’s efforts

No dealer pays to be on the forum. More likely your Pakistani man isnt willing to hold to the forum's strict standards for dealers. Please go read the FAQs.

As for your Chinese dealer, I'm sure he can source you watches for cheaper, many people use non TDs, but this DOES NOT MEAN HE IS A FACTORY REPRESENTIVE. He most likely is just making less money or upcharging you less.

 

[Ghostrider757]

Its not smart to buy from the Pakastani man. Think about it. The watches are made and sold in China. Where do you think he's buying it from? You're paying him a premium so he can buy the same watch for the same price that you can get from China, from basically the same people, then mark it up to pad his pocket all while giving you less "warranty". If there is a problem, he has to go through China. He's likely mad he can't sell here due to his excessively high prices and lack of presence in the rep industry, connections, and likely ethics. He sounds like the "resellers" we have in the US that just buy from non TD's and sell at higher prices. Essentially, wannabe dealers that think they have some sort of "clout".

 

[Timswatches]

No dealer pays to be on the forum. More likely your Pakistani man isnt willing to hold to the forum's strict standards for dealers. Please go read the FAQs.

As for your Chinese dealer, I'm sure he can source you watches for cheaper, many people use non TDs, but this DOES NOT MEAN HE IS A FACTORY REPRESENTIVE. He most likely is just making less money or upcharging you less.

Ok thank you, I do appreciate your response. I’m definitely getting excellent service and products. His quality control so far has been spot on. I will definitely keep yall informed

 

[rolex4me]

Please, please buy the watch from your Chinese direct seller and then show us photos of the watch delivered (although I don't think anything will arrive anyway, apart from scrap).
Finally someone has found the holy grail so that we no longer have to buy the sooooo expensive TD.


Now seriously, stay away from such offers because they are 100 percent liars or scammers.
discussion ended (for me)

 

[Ghostrider757]

His quality control so far has been spot on. I will definitely keep yall informed

You dont know how to do your own quality control? If you are relying on someone else to do the work, you probably don't even know what you're buying. Don't bother keeping anyone informed, we have top notch dealers, and really don't care about whatever witch doctor you're buying from.

 

[Timswatches]

Please, please buy the watch from your Chinese direct seller and then show us photos of the watch delivered (although I don't think anything will arrive anyway, apart from scrap).
Finally someone has found the holy grail so that we no longer have to buy the sooooo expensive TD.


Now seriously, stay away from such offers because they are 100 percent liars or scammers.
discussion ended (for me)

Well sir, you are wrong. I have received 3 so far and have tracking numbers for FedEx on 2 as we converse. I understand the apprehension of being scammed. To tell someone having a good experience so far, that they want receive anything, after they have received 3 already is not cool, its arrogance. I thought this was for sharing and learning not shaming and spilling bs. Maybe I don’t belong here, many appear childish and immature, not all but reading responses to others is somewhat sad. I get video of my watches, I get QC to verify if any flaws are found, if they are he circles them and I get a different watch, so far. If he’s trying to build trust and screw me over down the road, that’s his loss, I’m wise enough not to take big financial risks, I only buy 1 or 2 at a time. I stay in constant contact every 3 or 4 days. I use PayPal only for my protection, I don’t have any expectations of this all going flawlessly. I’m sure I will experience a bump or two, but so far I have not. Thanks for your response, but I’m too old for bs. I’m just wanting a few cool watches, not a big deal.

 

[Me10_UK]

Great that you have a plug.
Let's see some of these watches..... can you put up a pic?
Set the time at 09.20 - that's when I normally have my morning constituiton.

 

[p0pperini]

Thanks for your response, but I’m too old for bs.

What "bs"?

Members here are trying to help you. If you stopped to think for a couple of minutes about how long RWI has been around and therefore how much accumulated wisdom regarding the rep industry that represents, maybe you'd come to realise the reason we tend to recommend going with the RWI Trusted Dealers here (who, BTW, don't pay to be TDs - their status is earned).

 

[derjenigewelcher]

I understand they are made in China. I have a dealer from Pakistan I’ve bought from previously. Tell me this please, the Pakistani dealer says he has to pay to be sponsored by this forum is that true? So far I’ve bought 2 from him and 6 from my Chinese TD/fm or bullshit artist, so far so good. I will definitely own it if I get screwed. I do appreciate y’all’s efforts

Everyone who is between a product and a end-buyer, earns money. thats in every business just normal. You if your pakistany dealer wants to earn money, he will tell you every BS he can to let you buy from him.

Ok thank you, I do appreciate your response. I’m definitely getting excellent service and products. His quality control so far has been spot on. I will definitely keep yall informed

Please dont

Please, please buy the watch from your Chinese direct seller and then show us photos of the watch delivered (although I don't think anything will arrive anyway, apart from scrap).
Finally someone has found the holy grail so that we no longer have to buy the sooooo expensive TD.


Now seriously, stay away from such offers because they are 100 percent liars or scammers.
discussion ended (for me)

May I tell you that chinese wechat sellers that are legit are 20-40% cheaper? but they simply are not "westernized" in terms of buying process and sometimes QC and aftersales, so we buy from TD at premium price.