Breitling Gen disappointment

[Wiz]

I'd be curious to see how you "hide" a 48mm Super Avenger...

Going to a Beiting AD wearing a rep Breiling is just bad manner if you ask me. It has nothing to do with being caught or not, it's just about showing basic respect.

 

[lud]

ok, I can understand this WIZ.

But isn´t it also respectless to sell watches , and we all know this, for much too high price tags, in respect to materials and movements used ?

Not just Breilting, all the manufacturers, especiall Hublot, where I went after the breitling boutique.

 

[Wiz]

ok, I can understand this WIZ.

But isn´t it also respectless to sell watches , and we all know this, for much too high price tags, in respect to materials and movements used ?

Not just Breilting, all the manufacturers, especiall Hublot, where I went after the breitling boutique.

The difference is that they don't impose their watches to you, you have the choice.
When you walked in wearing a rep, you didn't leave them any choice.

Now i'm sure you can find a million excuses or reasons to justify what you did. I'm just saying I believe it's bad behaviour.

 

[bradj]

ok, I can understand this WIZ.

But isn´t it also respectless to sell watches , and we all know this, for much too high price tags, in respect to materials and movements used ?

Not just Breilting, all the manufacturers, especiall Hublot, where I went after the breitling boutique.

When buying any item of luxury you have to remember that you are paying a high premium on the brand on top of the COGs(Cost of Goods). All that advertising, etc doesn't come cheap and will be put into the cost of the item.

Perhaps their gross profits are very high, but I would be willing to bet their net profits are very similar to most other industries.

 

[lud]

no offense to the industry, but we talked about respect. and this is surely not respectful behaviour. I can live with it, and can also live with my way of behaviour. so, to each his own.

you have to see it this way, if someone handles my modified rep, he will earn a better opinion on breitling products as if he went to the same store I went to today and handled these watches. In this way I make some positive advertisement to Breitling.

Just kidding. C´mon guys, life is wondeful.

 

[Lenny]

I hope your not telling me that a GEN does not feel like or scub upto the GEN price tag. This is not news I want to hear !!

 

[jeffw69]

Pics of your rep?
Just curious.

 

[lud]

pics can´t show this, it´s not better than all the good one we have around here, but I sanded ,polished and reworked all the small imperfections. just the details.

this is not the topic btw, don´t wanna say how good mine is, I´m just surprised that the all so beloved gen pro2 feels worse than a servided rep. And as i wrote, I went there to buy a pro 2 for the SO abyss.

 

[Fez]

I hope your not telling me that a GEN does not feel like or scub upto the GEN price tag. This is not news I want to hear !!

:lol:

should of just gone franken

 

[shaidx]

so what your saying is, dont wear a rep to an AD? :/

 

[jeffw69]

The difference is that they don't impose their watches to you, you have the choice.
When you walked in wearing a rep, you didn't leave them any choice.

Now i'm sure you can find a million excuses or reasons to justify what you did. I'm just saying I believe it's bad behaviour.

+1

 

[lud]

homage watches are evil then.

 

[Zack Morris]

Counterpoint!

First: "better than gen," I'll disagree. I've never seen a rep that looks "better" than the watch upon which it is based, but I digress.

In defense of OP, I made a similar post about gens a while ago without taking this absurd amount of heat. I feel like I am at a Star Wars convention and mispronounced "Dagobah."

I know it is "the Cardinal rule" but the ADs are not God-like. They are mall retail workers who wear suits (when few professionals even wear suits these days).

The average person on this forum knows FAR more about watches than the average AD guy/gal behind the counter (who care little about whether your watch is a rep or gen, as long as you look like a sucker).

I have owned maybe 30 gen Rolex, Breitling, whatever and have had many discussions with ADs at Mayors, etc. The consensus is, most of the people who come in the store are wearing reps, some who don't even know. I think most of the people on here must have never been to an AD. All these stories about snooty ADs calling people out on reps, I don't buy it.

I remember one sales rep saying they size bracelets for reps all day long, and often the guy in the back will put in better spring bars, all for free. This is a service based industry. They can't afford to antagonize some CEO who is too vapid to realize he bought a fake Daytona, so they just smile and get on with their lives. Asking an AD to fix your rep, on the other hand? LOL, have fun reading that letter from RSC.

Anyway, back on topic, yes, I had a gen SA and also had a rep SA with gen dial. That is the last $$$$ gen I will ever buy. I could not tell the difference between the two watches. An Asian 7750 is junk IMO compared to an ETA, but otherwise, if I wasn't aware of the miniscule differences, I would not be able to tell one from the other. Even The movement sounded the same.

That is when I swore off gens except for certain pieces, say a vintage Speedy Pro or a well priced 7750, like Marathon CSAR. You can buy a new 7750 for the price Breitling charges to throw some oil on theirs ("exaggeration," gentlemen). There are no precious metals on an SA. I like the designs but I swear my 90s Chronomats, they felt and looked special. The new breed, they just feel and look cheap. If Breitling cannot make a watch that looks/feels better than a rep for ten times the amount, sorry... I am one less sucker.

And the market isn't stupid, either. I sold my mint SA for $2,950, a huge loss after a few months, and I honestly felt sorry for the person paying that much for it, since it will probably be $1,950 in a year or so- about the price it should probably have cost new! ::grumble grumble where's my coffee::

The rampant judgmental behavior of people brought together for their mutual adoration of counterfeit products sometimes astounds me. Klonopin, gentlemen. Klonopin.

Edit: and if we are talking about "good behavior," Rolex et al. spend hundreds of millions to make insecure people feel like they aren't special or successful if they don't have a precious TT Sub. It is such BS. The vast majority of people who wear $4,000+ watches cannot afford to. Even if you can "afford" to, it is likely a terrible financial decision. There was a time when quality and workmanship justified and necessitated exorbitant prices, but these days, your precious ETA assembled by a robot might as well be a Seiko (which is at least priced realistically).


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[lud]

great post nemo.

Just ask the premium car detailers how good the paintwork of luxury cars is just after delivery, and why so many customers bring in their new aquisitions.

 

[set2374]

At this point, I am only wearing reps, so if I am out shopping with my wife, I am not going to avoid a jewelry store (I am with my wife after all) jusy because I have a rep on my wrist. I also wont take it off, but I see no reason to draw any extra attention. I also tend to only wear so called super reps on a daily basis.

There is also a big difference between going to a store like tourneu in the US or other similar store that sells a large variety of mass market watches (breitling, omega. Rolex) and the corporate boutique stores. Stores like tourneu operate out of higher end malls and are essentially walmarts for watches which are staffed by people who have no idea of whay they are selling and can only make a livkng because they sell to people who know even less. You could wear a fantasy piece to one of those stores and they wouldnt know the difference.

On the other hand, the guys I have spoken to in the boutique stores in New York know their stuff. You would be a fool to try to walk into one of those stores and with a rep. There would also be know reason to wear a rep into one of those boutiques unless you are just trying to be a dick.

The no reps to AD rule exists for good reason though. These watches arw not legal anywhere in the world and it does no one any good to draw unnecessary attention to the hobby. We have to be respectful and classy, which means we need to enforecw rules a few shitheals don't f@ck it up for tbe rest of us and bring unneccesary heat down on our makers and suppliers.

As for OP's questions regarding the flying B, you will not find it in any AD unless it is pre-owned or new old stock. The Flying B was discontinued after Breitlings supply of 7750 and 7753 movements were cut. Cartier had to discontinue the pasha and santoa chronos for the same reason. The Flying B wasnt a huge seller so the non chrono version was cut as well since the volune on that model alone didnt justify the production cost.



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[macca001]

Superb post Mr Nemo

 

[Wiz]

To me this rule mostly is about showing basic respect.

The people working at ADs are there to work and make a living. They're not responsible for the drifting of the watch industry, if you want to rant about that, just contact the CEOs of big brands. And yes, they probably know less about watches than us collectors, and true some of them are even snooty, but it doesn't mean they're not entitled to the same kind of respect any random person is.

At least that's how I was raised.

Now if anyone behaves differently I don't care, but if he comes here and brags about it, he'll probably find me answering that I believe it's poor behaviour.

 

[lud]

I tink nobody in this thread, wrote, that he went into an AD to make fun of the salesperson. It´s more like, I have my watch on the wrist when entering the store, because it´s on y wrist everyday, and now I try not to show it off too much.

I see nothing disrespectful with this. I feel more disrespected, when the salesperson handles me a bracelet, with sharp edges and not so smooth links and wants 450 €.

If I let her know, that my rep bracelet is better, show it to her, and have a laugh, then , this would be disrespectful.

 

[Wiz]

I see nothing disrespectful with this.

Maybe that's where the problem lies...

These people have every right not to like reps, and it's not because we disagree that we shouldn't respect their point of view, and it surely doesn't give us the right to impose our reps to them.

Putting the watch in your pocket before entering the store is very easy.

If you can't see how disrespectfull it is to enter an AD with a rep of their own brand on your wrist, I don't know what to tell you....

 

[lud]

you surely didn´t read my post, or you just didn´t understand.

I didn´t impose a rep to them, but they imposed a sub par bracelet for a way to high price tag to me. That imposes, that they think, me , and all other customers, are dumb enough to pay high € for their dimishing quality. This is disrespectful and in my face !

keep your opinion, no problem, but respect mine too !

It´s all about respect, you surely know this.