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BP Released whole line of DG3804 CHS GMTs - cheap!

pecupecu

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Yep, always gotta watch for the old bait and switch! The 2836 ICHS BP TT RGs have covered SEL sides while the GMF same model at $100 more does not. Trusty has several ppl working for him, not all are right about stuff like this! Plus samples from factories change like the weather.

These 3804 GMTs are unique though, the hand stack and GMT hand hole surround is on no other rep so these can't be substitute pics. Thanks though.

I dont know my way around GMTs, but in those 2 links, advertised as having 2 different movements, they have used the same pictures (I know that sometimes they change the decoration and say its a new movement. Dont know if thats the case)

BP - Asia 2813 Automatic (SAME IMAGES)
https://www.trustytime01.cc/index.ph...ducts_id=20352
BP - Asia Clone 3186 (SAME IMAGES)
https://www.trustytime01.cc/index.ph...ducts_id=20116

This is a third BP version, with yet another movement. In this link, they have used a different set of pics

BP - Nickel Plated Asia 2836-2 (DIFFERENT IMAGES)
https://www.trustytime01.cc/index.ph...ducts_id=19279

I've sent them a message asking about the middle links. I'll let you know once the respond me. Please let me know if you find anything.
 
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I know what you are talking about bro. The DG2813s from BP will almost always have a non gen-spec dial, which means the date window will be 1mm right and aligned with the markers. This lets them avoid using a DWO, thereby saving money. And it explains the different, usually not as good DW. Hulk dial is gen-spec. You can see the difference in date window position on the black Sub dial.

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You are right this is misleading for TDs to use the same pics, again this is a cost cutting measure.
 

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important things to notice:

BP has 4 models

- [FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Asia 2813 - $278 - [/FONT]https://www.trustytime01.cc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_5&products_id=20352
- [FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Asia 2813 - $208 - [/FONT]https://www.trustytime01.cc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_5&products_id=19280
- [FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Asia 3186 - $328 - [/FONT]https://www.trustytime01.cc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_5&products_id=20116
- [FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Asia 2836-2 - $298 - [/FONT]https://www.trustytime01.cc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_5&products_id=19279

You can see that there are 2 links for 2 versions with a 2813 movement, with different prices. In the latest link ($278 - the more expensive) he uses the same pictures and videos that he uses on the 3186 version.

In the 2813 $208 version, you can see that the date wheel is really bad. (click on the link above and watch the video)

Here are some pics (with the GMF for comparison). I do believe that they dont correspond to the truth.

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and they have just responded me about the middle links

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BP is well known for his gold wrapped reps. They are probably using a wrapped version to do the videos.

We need to learn more about those pieces. We need to find reviews and stuff. I would really like to buy one of those, but the info is kinda confusing
 
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to make things even more confusing, here are pictures of a guy from reddit that is selling his BP. The sides of the middle links are plated. The date wheel looks kinda bad.

info:

Factory: BP factory / Trusty Time TD

Movement: 2813

Price: $170usd. Free delivery within Australia. Can ship overseas. Buyer pays postage

Pics: https://imgur.com/a/bS7ZGvS

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And here are some QC pictures and videos from Tim/WatchFinder

from the pictures, it looks like its a Nickel Plated Asia 2836-2.

QC pictures:
https://imageshack.com/a/W1uo/1
QC video: https://vimeo.com/320915816/150b4df6b8

So, it looks like they are actually plated on the sides of the middle links, and the guys from Trusty Time are wrong (or not).

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So, what I have learned (correct me if im wrong):

3186 - CHS, middle links fully plated, good date wheel
2836 - ICHS, middle links fully plated, good date wheel
2813 - ICHS, middle links fully plated, bad date wheel
2813 (new version) - Couldnt find pictures. The pictures shown here seems to be from another version. They claim CHS. The middle links are probably fully plated, since all the other versions are. The date wheel is an important factor. If they made it better, we have an amazing piece for a great price.
 
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Damn bro, you have spent some time on this. Very nice pic captures. A few comments.

Terms get thrown around loosely, but it's generally accepted that Wrapped means thick coating (~15mils) and Plated means thin coating (~5mils). Wrapped USED to mean SELS covered but no more. Plenty of Bluesies are Wrapped without covered SELs (sadly). Plated used to mean SELs not covered but no more. These BP TT RGs are an example.

Every BP TT RG I have seen posted by members has had the SEL sides covered, unlike its more expensive GMF sibling, as I noted previously. The same is not true for TT YG, where plated models (as these all are) do not have covered SELS.

So you really can't use the terms wrapped or plated anymore to correlate to SEL side coverage. You have to ask that question separately.

There is a difference between a 2813 GMT movement and a 3804. A 2813 does not have an independent GMT hand, it is an AM/PM indicator, you must use the bezel to observe a 2nd time zone. None of these listings have 2813 movements, as both of the 2813 listings show independent GMT hands, proving they are 3804s (which is admittedly a 2813 variant, but different enough it should be stated properly).

You are right about Trusty using the same pics for the new 3804 and the 3186. It's a different video but it's the same watch. That is NOT good for the subject watches of this thread.

The old 3804 at $208 is not a watch I would buy, as it has a 2813 (non-Rolex font) DW although it does look like it has a gen-spec dial (Rolex date window position). It is a different dial, because it has different feet positions but looks the same as the others.

So what does the new 3804 DW look like? Are we paying $70 more for the same watch with an unknown reliability and a hand stack that looks jury rigged in all honesty. If you are going to put the GMT hand above the hour hand like gen, you should make the hand hole surround smaller than the hand below it like gen, and like Noob does.

You can't rely on what Andrew's minions tell you. I've had many wrong answers from them. I agree with everything you said in your summation.

Someone bought and recently sold a 16710 new 3804 CHS. The hand stack is just like the new 3804s listed on Trusty and subject of this thread. And the DW is Rolex fonts, with a gen-spec dial. If that's what we can expect on the new 6 digit 3804s, I can probably live with the gnarly GMT hand hole surround. As long as the movement doesn't prove to be a time bomb.

https://forum.replica-watch.info/fo...-ii-16710-red-blue-ss-ss-blk-bp-asia-2813-chs

So there really are 4 different BP models, 2 CHS, 2 ICHS, one of each in ETA or DG movement. The 3186 is a 2824 BTW with fake engravings. The 2 DGs (3804) are cheaper and between them the CHS is more. The 2 ETAs are more expensive, and between them the CHS is more. That's all logical.

All four of them in TT RG should have covered SELs. If I were just buying one for my collection, no question in my mind it would be the 2836 ICHS. I am only interested in the 3804 CHS because of the novelty and because of my curiosity in the movement. It's a new accomplishment in rep movements, though it would have been a significant cut above if they had made the GMT hand hole surround smaller than the hour hand hole surround. It's possible that hand can be replaced, depending on the hole size. There are lots of aftermarket GMT hands out there.

Which one are you looking to purchase?
 

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Which one are you looking to purchase?

Great info there. I´ve just bought a RG Daytona today. It will probably take 30-40 days to arrive. As soon as it gets here, I´ll buy another piece. Im between that new BP GMT (if the date wheel is good enough), or a Cartier Tank.

I really want that gold middle links fully plated. I have a TT DJ2 (YG) from BP, and there is no plating on the sides. That really bothers me.
 
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Great info there. I´ve just bought a RG Daytona today. It will probably take 30-40 days to arrive. As soon as it gets here, I´ll buy another piece. Im between that new BP GMT (if the date wheel is good enough), or a Cartier Tank.

I really want that gold middle links fully plated. I have a TT DJ2 (YG) from BP, and there is no plating on the sides. That really bothers me.

I think you are fine with any of the BP TT RGs. Who knows why but BP has chosen to make their RG GMTs have covered sides but not the YG models. I may just get a FG. The new FG 3804 green dial is gorgeous and its a different dial from the previous ETA models. Here's a link to yours.

https://www.ts-station.cn/mobile/goods.php?ProId=26381

You can see the sides covered on RG, not on YG

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well, the TT RG root beer is on my list. The first one to get it, please post pics. in a few months I´ll get mine, probably.
 

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I bought the 16710 pepsi. It looks good on Josh's website.

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important things to notice:

BP has 4 models

- Asia 2813 - $278 - https://www.trustytime01.cc/index.ph...ducts_id=20352
- Asia 2813 - $208 - https://www.trustytime01.cc/index.ph...ducts_id=19280
- Asia 3186 - $328 - https://www.trustytime01.cc/index.ph...ducts_id=20116
- Asia 2836-2 - $298 - https://www.trustytime01.cc/index.ph...ducts_id=19279

You can see that there are 2 links for 2 versions with a 2813 movement, with different prices. In the latest link ($278 - the more expensive) he uses the same pictures and videos that he uses on the 3186 version.

In the 2813 $208 version, you can see that the date wheel is really bad. (click on the link above and watch the video)

Here are some pics (with the GMF for comparison). I do believe that they dont correspond to the truth.

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I'm a huge fan of BP watches. To my taste, makes no sense to spend more money for GMF.

I bought this beauty (- Asia 2836-2 - $298 - https://www.trustytime01.cc/index.ph...ducts_id=19279) and I couldn't be happier.
 
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Damn bro, you have spent some time on this. Very nice pic captures. A few comments.....

Which one are you looking to purchase?

Mate you are a fountain of knowledge!
I like the $278 price point. Prolly going to order a TT Root Beer with the 3804 CHS movement. Something psychological about staying under $300. And I can scratch that CHS itch without breaking the bank The ICHS 2836 is considerably more expensive at $338.
And since my GMF BLNR has the ICSH I am probably covered as far as longevity goes
 
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Mate you are a fountain of knowledge!
I like the $278 price point. Prolly going to order a TT Root Beer with the 3804 CHS movement. Something psychological about staying under $300. And I can scratch that CHS itch without breaking the bank The ICHS 2836 is considerably more expensive at $338.
And since my GMF BLNR has the ICSH I am probably covered as far as longevity goes

That's a great choice too, I'm pulled toward that one also. CHS and covered SELs is great at that price. Perfect Clones has it for $248. Not a TD on RWI either, but many TDs will price match for you if you just send the link.

https://www.pf-868.com/watches/role...oke-ss-rg-black-a-2813-chs-free-shipping.html
 
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Thanks for chiming in bro. That would be my choice too if I wasn't looking to check out the new movement.

Asian 2813 21j Automatic, surely is not reliable.

I love the reliability of Asia 2836-2. Cheap and reliable, you can`t find a better option.

I look forward you review on that new movement.