Black Daytona 116500 GEN VS NOOB, Clean V2, BT V2, Full comparison

[Bobi01]

Not any different from my recent QC I believe

Too shiny subdials, gen doesnt look like that

 

[Bobi01]

Not any different from my recent QC I believe

Clean is the closest now now after thinning the subdial thickness

 

[Storm.]

Clean is the closest now now after thinning the subdial thickness

Yea, I don't know if people actually know about mk1 MK2 and so on but I've seen numerous gen dials that shine under white light.

Example

 

[Storm.]

Yea, I don't know if people actually know about mk1 MK2 and so on but I've seen numerous gen dials that shine under white light.

Example

And another

 

[M Scott]

Not any different from my recent QC I believe

In these photos or videos, with different lighting conditions, you should look at the contrast between the Shine of the Hands and the Shine or Matte Finish of the Sub-dials. A Matte Finish on 116500 Black Dial Sub-dials is closer to Gen.
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https://ibb.co/85rvd4n

 

[Storm.]

In these photos or videos, with different lighting conditions, you should look at the contrast between the Shine of the Hands and the Shine or Matte Finish of the Sub-dials. A Matte Finish on 116500 Black Dial Sub-dials is closer to Gen.
.
https://ibb.co/85rvd4n

I did not say that it's not correct.

I said there were different dials with different shines.

I see gens of the black one every week

75% of them have matte under normal lighting and sun and an almost 116520 type shine under white lights like LED light

Another example

These are all watchesnon sale on c24 v

 

[Storm.]

Again, white light makes gen shine.

 

[M Scott]

I did not say that it's not correct.

I said there were different dials with different shines.

I see gens of the black one every week

That's Great for you... When you get your new BTF Daytona, you will be able to compare it directly with all the Gens that you see every week in person.

Then you will see the the difference.

 

[Storm.]

That's Great for you... When you get your new BTF Daytona, you will be able to compare it directly with all the Gens that you see every week in person.

Then you will see the the difference.

No need trying to be condescending, and no I will not do that.
But you can keep looking at pictures on the Internet and keep on being right in your head.

 

[Bobi01]

@M Scott +1000
@Storm069
There are no mk1 mk2 versions of the 116500 black dial sorry, subdial shine depends on lightnings and it is very very complex,matte but under strong lights it has very very tiny sunburst and specific satin finnish… all rep subdials are wrong if we compare to gen, the clean v3 is the closest at the moment… btf is almost the same as old noob,too shiny and too much metalic-wide sunburst or shine but with sharper text…
We already passed all this discussions before on old noob threads

 

[Storm.]

@M Scott +1000
@Storm069
There are no mk1 mk2 versions of the 116500 black dial sorry, subdial shine depends on lightnings and it is very very complex,matte but under strong lights it has very very tiny sunburst and specific satin finnish… all rep subdials are wrong if we compare to gen, the clean v3 is the closest at the moment… btf is almost the same as old noob,too shiny and too much metalic-wide sunburst or shine but with sharper text…
We already passed all this discussions before on old noob threads

As I said before, I did not say it is correct.
I said the gen has a certain shine to it when it gets hit by white light and it shines then.

There are numerous versions of the black dial
I.e. the Daytona Position differs from each other.

Look at this dial2022

Then look at this 2019

They are very much different.

 

[Bobi01]

As I said before, I did not say it is correct.
I said the gen has a certain shine to it when it gets hit by white light and it shines then.

There are numerous versions of the black dial
I.e. the Daytona Position differs from each other.

Look at this dial2022

Then look at this 2019

They are very much different.

They arent different, just different lightning
All 500 black dials are same

 

[Storm.]

They arent different, just different lightning
All 500 black dials are same

As mentioned, have a look at the position of the Daytona writing.

Many different variations out there.

 

[Wacht]

Clean is the closest now now after thinning the subdial thickness

In your first picture you can clearly see that the lighting is brighter on the bt. So the comparison you share doesn't really tell us exact difference.

 

[Bobi01]

In your first picture you can clearly see that the lighting is brighter on the bt. So the comparison you share doesn't really tell us exact difference.

Anyways… who knows how the gen looks will understand what i mean and what im saying

 

[Wacht]

Anyways… who knows how the gen looks will understand what i mean and what im saying

The picture of the bt doesn't depict that exact difference, since the lighting isnt the same. Anybody who knows physics will understand. Should you turn it up on the cf you might have the same or similar effect.

 

[M Scott]

No need trying to be condescending, and no I will not do that.
But you can keep looking at pictures on the Internet and keep on being right in your head.

We went through this same type of argument a number of times when the Noob Panda Daytonas finally started getting good.

Many, many members here were, and still are very happy with those Noob Pandas. Some Noob owners would post that they were good enough and looked just like a Gen "out of the box". These were owners who had never seen a Gen or an ARF to directly compare in person. They would argue that spending any extra money on modifications would be a waste.

There were also members who did have the opportunity to directly compare Noob and ARF Panda dials in person. A number of those members decided that it was worth the cost to make these modifications.

Apparently you were one of those members, so you should know what I am talking about here.

As per usual, noob needs new gasket and crystal lowered

Other than that, it's a very nice watch. Even stock is very good.

I have a V3 panda with a gen gasket, xtal lowered, gen pushers and crown, all 6 gen hands, arf v2 dial with gen crown and gen omega spring bars for nicer SEL fitment.
Part of the clasp (the lower part) is gen.
Brushing to gen specs. Bezel paint mod with platinum coating.

It gets indistinguishable from gen at that point.
All work done by Domi.



Have had it next to many gen 500s couldn't tell a difference.

Ordered the btf v2 in black, we will see how it looks when it gets here but I'm very much hyped for it as it seems to be the best ootb rep ever made.

When you ordered your BTF Daytona, in my opinion you ordered the best Black Dial 116500 Replica available, at that time.

I even posted that statement just over a week ago comparing it to a Clean V2...

It really is the best 116500 Dial Daytona so far.

Just toning down the shine on the Sub-dials will get it much closer to Gen.

Every member that has posted a review of their Black Dial 116500 BTF Daytona has been very, very happy with this watch. Only a couple have complained that the Silver Sub-dials are indeed too Shiny. The TD that started this comparison post had the same opinion.

I really do hope that this watch is up to your expectations when you see it in person. Maybe you will prefer the Sub-dial Finish. If not, you could send it to Domi for a Cleaning Service and a Clean V3 Dial someday.

When Noob had the exclusive on the 4130 Movement, the Revisions and improvements were very, very slow in coming. The Quality was also very inconsistent. With Clean and BTF competing, the Revisions and the overall Quality have gotten very good, quickly. These Factories even seem to be listening to the Forums and the TD's now. The White Panda Dial Daytonas from both Clean and BTF are very close now, and it appears the Black Dial 116500s are finally getting to that level too.

Many thanks to @Bobi01 for posting the Photos and Video of the Clean V3 Black Dial.
To me, it really does look one step closer a Gen 116500. Maybe BTF will have to do a V3 next...

 

[Storm.]

We went through this same type of argument a number of times when the Noob Panda Daytonas finally started getting good.

Many, many members here were, and still are very happy with those Noob Pandas. Some Noob owners would post that they were good enough and looked just like a Gen "out of the box". These were owners who had never seen a Gen or an ARF to directly compare in person. They would argue that spending any extra money on modifications would be a waste.

There were also members who did have the opportunity to directly compare Noob and ARF Panda dials in person. A number of those members decided that it was worth the cost to make these modifications.

Apparently you were one of those members, so you should know what I am talking about here.

When you ordered your BTF Daytona, in my opinion you ordered the best Black Dial 116500 Replica available, at that time.

I even posted that statement just over a week ago comparing it to a Clean V2...

Every member that has posted a review of their Black Dial 116500 BTF Daytona has been very, very happy with this watch. Only a couple have complained that the Silver Sub-dials are indeed too Shiny. The TD that started this comparison post had the same opinion.

I really do hope that this watch is up to your expectations when you see it in person. Maybe you will prefer the Sub-dial Finish. If not, you could send it to Domi for a Cleaning Service and a Clean V3 Dial someday.

When Noob had the exclusive on the 4130 Movement, the Revisions and improvements were very, very slow in coming. The Quality was also very inconsistent. With Clean and BTF competing, the Revisions and the overall Quality have gotten very good, quickly. These Factories even seem to be listening to the Forums and the TD's now. The White Panda Dial Daytonas from both Clean and BTF are very close now, and it appears the Black Dial 116500s are finally getting to that level too.

Many thanks to @Bobi01 for posting the Photos and Video of the Clean V3 Black Dial.
To me, it really does look one step closer a Gen 116500. Maybe BTF will have to do a V3 next...

I get your point and indeed one of the first things I did was replace dial and even coronet on my panda when it arrived because noob looked like a printed out picture lol

As mentioned, i also believe the shine is not gen like, my whole point was that most people here believe gen is completely matte.
And it is not. It shines like diamonds in some angles.

 

[RollyAP]

For me yes because bt have too much shiny subdials and it is very different comparing to gen

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Thanks mate.

Just reiterating what was said on video:

Submariners:
- Serial ending has changed from U9N5 to W9
- Dot pip used to be too yellow and is now whiter and the stainless steel bevel around the pip is thinner
- Black Clean sticker indicates it is no longer use ARF bracelet and is now using VSF bracelets

Black Daytona:
- The changes made on the Daytona are very big
- The subdials used to have a shiny finish but is now a more pearlescent finish, looks very close to Gen
- Clean factory have not explicitly said it was a v3, could be a silent update
- Movement is the same

Panda Daytona:
- No changes

 

[Bobi01]

Wow even the finnish of the subdials are improoved, nice